2007 Piped In Vocals

[noise next door]

What blows my mind is how they even do that and keep it in time, when they are all playing live. WIL was probably on a click I guess, but not HFT. That's why I wonder if the "Bad, Bad, Bad" part I'm referring to in this video might have been triggered by the offstage keyboard player. It kind of sounds like a keyboard sample/patch if you listen to it.

They use controller pads that play back short mini-recordings, sort of like a sampler.

Someone operates a rubber controller pad and triggers the small backing vocal segments a few beats ahead of where the playback is needed (they are technically called FLY-INS or FLIES).

If the backing vocal needs to play back on the "& of 3" for example in that specific bar, the person triggering it will push the controller on the 1 or the 2 of that measure and the sample has the needed timing delay preprogrammed.

The drummer will often play to a rough click to control tempo, but there are no backing tracks happening... You can do it without a click, and then have multiple FLIES ready at slightly diff tempos... gives the drummer complete freedom but slightly more complex to deal with. The click solution makes it easier...

[CaboChris]

They use controller pads that play back short mini-recordings, sort of like a sampler.

Someone operates a rubber controller pad and triggers the small backing vocal segments a few beats ahead of where the playback is needed (they are technically called FLY-INS or FLIES).

If the backing vocal needs to play back on the "& of 3" for example in that specific bar, the person triggering it will push the controller on the 1 or the 2 of that measure and the sample has the needed timing delay preprogrammed.

The drummer will often play to a rough click to control tempo, but there are no backing tracks happening... You can do it without a click, and then have multiple FLIES ready at slightly diff tempos... gives the drummer complete freedom but slightly more complex to deal with. The click solution makes it easier...

Kinds takes the music out of music.

Ffs, call it a day if you need that much technological help. Idc if it's industry standard or not.

[noise next door]

Kinds takes the music out of music.

Ffs, call it a day if you need that much technological help. Idc if it's industry standard or not.

I guess when these guys are drinking so much hard liquor and having late nights... the vocal chords are drying out and they need assistance... they literally can't sing alongside those "rock star" activities...

[KS 5150]

Did you know some bass was piped in, too? I know a guy who knew a guy...

...I also knew a guy who knew that same guy....

[CatchAsCatch]

Kinds takes the music out of music.

Ffs, call it a day if you need that much technological help. Idc if it's industry standard or not.

meh... as a wise man once said, it's showbiz. And I guess I grade on a curve. I mean they are playing everything else live and doing the majority of the vocals live. You sweeten the guitar tones with a little reverb, this isn't that far of a stretch from that (imo). now the backgrounds Dave was using at his last few shows, that were obviously Ed & Mike, that one is a little tougher to justify.... but then again, I would probably rather hear that than someone trying to imitate Mike & Ed, so maybe not.

[CaboChris]

meh... as a wise man once said, it's showbiz. And I guess I grade on a curve. I mean they are playing everything else live and doing the majority of the vocals live. You sweeten the guitar tones with a little reverb, this isn't that far of a stretch from that (imo). now the backgrounds Dave was using at his last few shows, that were obviously Ed & Mike, that one is a little tougher to justify.... but then again, I would probably rather hear that than someone trying to imitate Mike & Ed, so maybe not.

Then again, none of that shit was used on the BOAW tour. Vocally speaking. Get another person on stage to actually sing ala Rai. More human, less gadgetry

That would be more preferable to me than hitting some switch at the exact precise time to sound like the record. YMMV

[Little Dreamer]

Then again, none of that shit was used on the BOAW tour. Vocally speaking. Get another person on stage to actually sing ala Rai. More human, less gadgetry

That would be more preferable to me than hitting some switch at the exact precise time to sound like the record. YMMV

There was a sense of maturity in that BOAW presentation, and it was welcomed by the fan. Like "let's drop the ego, it's not shameful to have a keyboard players/backup vocalist" on stage. This late in the game, it's not time to continue the petty little things of the past.

[CatchAsCatch]

There was a sense of maturity in that BOAW presentation, and it was welcomed by the fan. Like "let's drop the ego, it's not shameful to have a keyboard players/backup vocalist" on stage. This late in the game, it's not time to continue the petty little things of the past.

I agree with you to a point. And I think for the most part it did feel like a nice celebration. But I don't think the ego was fully dropped.

I think if the ego had been fully removed it would have remained a Van Halen celebration like they started out billing it as. But 5 or 6 out of 20 songs were Sammy solo.

Including 55, One Way to Rock and Eagles Fly I can understand. They did them together (live at least). But he could have carved out even one of the solo tunes toward the end of the show and let Mike fill that slot with another song from the DLR era. From interviews I heard it seemed like Mike wanted to include more of those songs.

[CaboChris]

I'm getting "Canadian" vibes here. Hmm.

Don't mind me. Just thinking out loud.

[Naked Wake]

Kinds takes the music out of music.

Ffs, call it a day if you need that much technological help. Idc if it's industry standard or not.

I agree with you 100%. If you can't do it, find a way, but don't pretend to.

Then again, none of that shit was used on the BOAW tour. Vocally speaking. Get another person on stage to actually sing ala Rai. More human, less gadgetry

That would be more preferable to me than hitting some switch at the exact precise time to sound like the record. YMMV

I agree whole-heartedly. The issue here is that requires paying someone else and if you're a cheapskate you'd rather use a machine than pay a human.

[Raldo]

I agree with you to a point. And I think for the most part it did feel like a nice celebration. But I don't think the ego was fully dropped.

I think if the ego had been fully removed it would have remained a Van Halen celebration like they started out billing it as. But 5 or 6 out of 20 songs were Sammy solo.

Including 55, One Way to Rock and Eagles Fly I can understand. They did them together (live at least). But he could have carved out even one of the solo tunes toward the end of the show and let Mike fill that slot with another song from the DLR era. From interviews I heard it seemed like Mike wanted to include more of those songs.

That’s why I enjoyed the first half of the show more. It was the VH songs that I really went to hear.

[CatchAsCatch]

They use controller pads that play back short mini-recordings, sort of like a sampler.

Someone operates a rubber controller pad and triggers the small backing vocal segments a few beats ahead of where the playback is needed (they are technically called FLY-INS or FLIES).

If the backing vocal needs to play back on the "& of 3" for example in that specific bar, the person triggering it will push the controller on the 1 or the 2 of that measure and the sample has the needed timing delay preprogrammed.

The drummer will often play to a rough click to control tempo, but there are no backing tracks happening... You can do it without a click, and then have multiple FLIES ready at slightly diff tempos... gives the drummer complete freedom but slightly more complex to deal with. The click solution makes it easier...

I missed this before. Thanks for the explanation.

[Darrin Stephens]

Lukather Dave and Edward recorded BGs at 5150 before the tour. It is not actually Mike's voice but Lukather has imitated Mike many an occasion

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[Little Dreamer]

Lukather Dave and Edward recorded BGs at 5150 before the tour. It is not actually Mike's voice but Lukather has imitated Mike many an occasion

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On his solo record, Luke doesn't seem to have Mike's range at all. I'm not hearing him sing that high.

[CaboChris]

On his solo record, Luke doesn't seem to have Mike's range at all. I'm not hearing him sing that high.

Don't worry about it. Just accept it.