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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    I agree.

    I'm actually fine with abortion in the cases of rape, incest and the mother's life being in danger. I'm not okay with abortion being a form of after the fact birth control because the woman AND the man were too lazy/selfish to take precautions.
    We're all selfish and lazy in some aspects of our lives, Coulda. Some people are not as smart or as prudent as you or I when it comes to family planning. The potential parents, the potential child, and society should not be burdened with the dark consequences of a few minutes of spontaneous lust. Those who exercise the option when they know they aren't ready are doing everyone a favor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    We have enough unwanted children in the world. That’s my issue. And it’s a big issue.

    Some people have no business being parents.

    By the way, there are pro-choice people who don’t believe you should be able to have an abortion for any reason. Even rape.
    Brett, I think you meant to write pro-life in this sentence.

    I disagree strongly with these people. I could never ask a girl/woman to give birth to a child who was conceived in an act of violence against her.

    This could ultimately end up being the issue that decides the 2024 Presidential Election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VH1986 View Post
    We're all selfish and lazy in some aspects of our lives, Coulda. Some people are not as smart or as prudent as you or I when it comes to family planning. The potential parents, the potential child, and society should not be burdened with the dark consequences of a few minutes of spontaneous lust. Those who exercise the option when they know they aren't ready are doing everyone a favor.
    I hear ya', my friend. I just find it incredibly sad that the one who pays the price for the irresponsibility of these people is their unborn child. There is no winner in this scenario.
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    I land on being anti-abortion but incredibly strict laws are bad policy. Abortions went up in the 12 months after Dobbs. If that’s a permanent trend I don’t know how pro-life people could decide that’s an acceptable consequence.

    At the same time, there have to be some limits. An abortion the day before a due date may not be all that common, but it shouldn’t be legal outside of extreme circumstances.

    Abstinence only doesn’t work. And contraception is important. But we also shouldn’t divorce sex entirely from responsibility.

    There are too many loving families who want children and can’t have them for adoption not to be a serious consideration for any healthy woman who is pregnant.

    And the LGBTQ lifestyle, not sure how much it’s being forced on anyone. But LGBTQ bans on adoption were certainly lifestyles being punished—and, as a byproduct, children punished.

    But part of extremism in the bases means compromise must be avoided at all costs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    I land on being anti-abortion but incredibly strict laws are bad policy. Abortions went up in the 12 months after Dobbs. If that’s a permanent trend I don’t know how pro-life people could. Elise that’s an acceptable consequence.

    At the same time, there have to be some limits. An abortion the day before a due date may not be all that common, but it shouldn’t be legal outside of extreme circumstances.

    Abstinence only doesn’t work. And contraception is important. But we also shouldn’t divorce sex entirely from responsibility.

    There are too many loving families who want children and can’t have them for adoption not to be a serious consideration for any healthy woman who is pregnant.

    And the LGBTQ lifestyle, not sure how much it’s being forced on anyone. But LGBTQ bans on adoption were certainly lifestyles being punished.

    But part of extremism in the bases means compromise must be avoided at all costs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    Brett, I think you meant to write pro-life in this sentence.

    I disagree strongly with these people. I could never ask a girl/woman to give birth to a child who was conceived in an act of violence against her.

    This could ultimately end up being the issue that decides the 2024 Presidential Election.
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    Seems besides religion and politics, vaccinations are pretty volatile topics here at the VHLinks. I guess it's a welcome break from Sammy vs. Dave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VH1986 View Post
    I appreciate your post. Not ascribing the words to you, but people who authentically identify as LGBTQ are not practicing a lifestyle.
    I agree.

    Do you think that 28% of Gen Z are actually LGBTQ? Is it possible that it has become "hip" to identify as LGBTQ? Only 4% of baby boomers identify as LGBTQ. That is a pretty remarkable discrepancy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VH1986 View Post
    I appreciate your post. Not ascribing the words to you, but people who authentically identify as LGBTQ are not practicing a lifestyle.
    Yes I think alternative lifestyle was the actual quote/language I was using but I agree.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Intruder View Post
    Seems besides religion and politics, vaccinations are pretty volatile topics here at the VHLinks. I guess it's a welcome break from Sammy vs. Dave.
    Oh, I still Sam vs Dave ...

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    How about Sam and Diane?


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    Fuckin' Diane! She needed a good spanking. I bet she would have enjoyed it and why not give it to her?!


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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    I agree.

    Do you think that 28% of Gen Z are actually LGBTQ? Is it possible that it has become "hip" to identify as LGBTQ? Only 4% of baby boomers identify as LGBTQ. That is a pretty remarkable discrepancy.
    There is probably some of that.

    But I also think there are generational gaps in the willingness to come out, even today.

    My 3rd grade teacher was never married. My mom taught at the school and they’re friends. She’s at least in her late 70s. She came to our wedding with her “driver.” But it was career suicide until very recently for a teacher to be out in the slightest. Not to the class but seen at a restaurant by a parent holding hands with another woman or whatever. You had to be in total denial outside your home.

    So I don’t think it’s a stretch to think someone like her would still not put gay on a survey. And I’d bet there’s a decent percentage of older people in hetero marriages who aren’t going to risk that answer on a survey either.

    Looking at the survey, there is an increase at first from boomers to X, from X to millennials, then millennials to Z.

    But the real driver of the gap seems to be “bisexual” and “other.” Other must in part be due to recent trans acceptance. Further, it was a BIG deal when NBA player Jason Collin’s came out. Yet a whole lot of indifference followed recent revelations former NBA star Dwight Howard engages in bisexual relations. I wonder how many older people just never thought fleeting same-sex thoughts meant bi and subsequent generations started to accept that more—and act on it?

    So at least some of it has to do with each generation feeling safer to publicly be who they are.


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