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    The world against China/Russia? I like our chances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fudd View Post
    Yes. And the fact that most of the world would go after china if they attacked, really isn’t a viable option for them. England has nukes, India has nukes, France has nukes, Israel has nukes.

    See the problem? England, Israel and France would have to attack.

    As I’ve said many times, and I got the info from DD, the single most deadly thing we have militarily is our subs. Which England also uses our SLBM. So you can keep hypothesizing ifs and whys and worry, but it’s a fools errand. China knows it. They cannot win. So if you would like to continue to think this way, go
    Nuts. But your ignorance on the might of the United States military isn’t doing you any favors. China would die in the matter of 15 minutes if they launched a weapon. The world would retaliate as well. We run the table.
    (Precursor: I do not take offense at anything you've said, so if my tone comes across that way, it's not meant to)

    It's not ignorance of America's military might that frames my views, it's China's aspiration of expansion that holds my interest. The only thing that prevents China from world domination is the US.

    As I mentioned in an earlier post: the Soviet Union was taken down without a single shot having been fired.

    The Dollar is fragile, and it's supremacy is backed by our might, and her tie to oil. The Saudi's have expressed interest in the new BRICS currency, which could seriously undermine the Dollar. Up until this point, one contributing factor to the Dollar's preeminence is owed to the lack of an equally strong alternative, although this could change with the forthcoming BRICS currency.

    The divide between the political Left & Right is conspicuous, as well as the lack of societal cohesion that we're experiencing.

    In conclusion, while I don't think that one single factor could affect America's standing, the perfect storm is brewing.

    And while I don't see an end to the US, this conflict could quickly devolve into a "West versus East" scenario.
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    NDL is right with his concerns.

    Planning for the worst case scenario is how you avoid it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    NDL is right with his concerns.

    Planning for the worst case scenario is how you avoid it.
    Quantum encryption is a major battlefield that will have a lot of unforseen consequence. We are ahead of China for now but can not fall asleep as this battle will not be decided in 15 years but rather closer to 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by NDL View Post
    (Precursor: I do not take offense at anything you've said, so if my tone comes across that way, it's not meant to)

    It's not ignorance of America's military might that frames my views, it's China's aspiration of expansion that holds my interest. The only thing that prevents China from world domination is the US.

    As I mentioned in an earlier post: the Soviet Union was taken down without a single shot having been fired.

    The Dollar is fragile, and it's supremacy is backed by our might, and her tie to oil. The Saudi's have expressed interest in the new BRICS currency, which could seriously undermine the Dollar. Up until this point, one contributing factor to the Dollar's preeminence is owed to the lack of an equally strong alternative, although this could change with the forthcoming BRICS currency.

    The divide between the political Left & Right is conspicuous, as well as the lack of societal cohesion that we're experiencing.

    In conclusion, while I don't think that one single factor could affect America's standing, the perfect storm is brewing.

    And while I don't see an end to the US, this conflict could quickly devolve into a "West versus East" scenario.
    There are too many people and countries invested in our survival. I do t believe that it’s an east v west rocky type situation. Yet.

    As for the monitory stuff, who knows. Maybe we will back the money with gold again. Really don’t have an answer.


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    Every great empire has fallen at some point.Its going to happen to 'Murica. Not if but when

    Honestly I do think parties are out there trying to quicken this. Politicians are out there that do not have America's best interests at heart. They are bought and paid for. Not saying its all Democrats or Republicans. However to think that the illustrious branches of our government cannot be bouught is....well a bit more unblievable to me than the opposite. We allow foreign parties to influence our judicial system. You don't think that has any effect?

    I truly don't believe that our legislative branch governs with the idea what is best for the United Stats. Not a MAGA slant to it. They do what it in their best interests and that means GOP too.

    Its liike that saying that people are 2 paychecks away from being homeless....whatever it is We as a country have all our CC maxxed out. All it takes is one thing to tip us over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrin Stephens View Post
    Quantum encryption is a major battlefield that will have a lot of unforseen consequence. We are ahead of China for now but can not fall asleep as this battle will not be decided in 15 years but rather closer to 3
    Quantum computers will eventually break much of today's encryption, and that includes the signing algorithm of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. Approximately one-quarter of the Bitcoin ($168bn) in circulation in 2022 is vulnerable to quantum attack, according to a study by Deloitte.Apr 29, 2022
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    Difference is that the Soviet Union was not exporting much to the US. China exports a lot to the US market. The old concept of "owning the world" is a bit obsolete. There are huge parts of Africa that neither the US or China "own." An armed conflict would be too costly to either party. There will be none. I think China wants to be the number one power in Asia, because historically, it was. For centuries. They're not going to set up military bases in Germany or Mexico. History means a lot over there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fudd View Post
    And I will echo and channel my inner Dave’s Dreidel, china is playing a long game. They are not gonna risk a short term gain to mess with us. They do not have the capabilities to do what is being suggested. Our missile defense systems are too strong. And they also know that is mutually assured distraction. They could launch nukes and a sub could level their mainland in 15 minutes. They know it. We know it.

    They’re not that stupid.


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    They also know...or at least their navy knows, that they have no prayer of getting troop ships across the water to Taiwan.

    They are decades from even being able to be a minor threat to our naval forces.

    I'm not sure where this author thinks they could attack that would be anything like Pearl Harbor...other than Pearl itself.

    The naval base in Japan is the only one where enough ships might be in port to be like that....and are they really going to attack us in Japan? That's basically an attack on Japan, also. I'm not sure they want to pick a fight with both of us.

    They can't possibly attack one of our major bases, so their only real hope is the hit one of our fleets when they are on maneuvers in that region...and they are typically on fairly high alert when they are doing so, for that very reason. So good luck with that one.
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