Does Pete Angelus have the HOLY GRAIL?

**Little Dreamer** · 08.05.22, 01:51 PM

There was a huge emotion over Randy's death in the early 80s, no doubt. And then "Tribute" was well put together. I think as a songwriter, you just can't compare Randy with Eddie, that's where I see it as "no contest."

This is Randy's debut album:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Riot_(1978_album)

And this is Eddie's:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Halen_(album)

I think the discussion is over.

**CaboChris** · 08.05.22, 01:54 PM

No, it's not over. Interesting you chose his Quiet Riot work over the Ozzy albums to make a point but whatever...

**CaboChris** · 08.05.22, 01:57 PM

Just to really mix it up and cause chaos. Awhile back I messaged Coulda in the middle of my deep obsession with Randy that for year 1981, it's now

Diary of A Madman > Fair Warning. ��

**Little Dreamer** · 08.05.22, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by CaboChris

Just to really mix it up and cause chaos. Awhile back I messaged Coulda in the middle of my deep obsession with Randy that for year 1981, it's now

Diary of A Madman > Fair Warning. ��

Diary of A Madman > Fair Warning, even if it was true (which it's not) does NOT prove anything regarding Randy being at the level of Eddie.
I believe half of Diary was written by Bob Daisley. Ozzy's most famous song, Crazy Train, was written by Bob Daisley. Randy did the opening riff. But the verse and chorus are from Bob - that's the core of the song.

Nonetheless, Diary is a fantastic record.

**bklynboy68** · 08.05.22, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Little Dreamer

Diary of A Madman > Fair Warning, even if it was true (which it's not) does NOT prove anything regarding Randy being at the level of Eddie.
I believe half of Diary was written by Bob Daisley. Ozzy's most famous song, Crazy Train, was written by Bob Daisley. Randy did the opening riff. But the verse and chorus are from Bob - that's the core of the song.

Nonetheless, Diary is a fantastic record.

Bob was the main songwriter in Ozzy's bands whenever he was in them. Yeah, Randy gets credit for those albums too but he didn't come up with that all by himself. If he had those kinds of songwriting chops those Quiet Riot albums wouldn't have been as weak as they are.

**Rokgtar** · 08.05.22, 03:50 PM

I know Bob is a great bassist, arranger and lyricist, but if he wrote so much, why was there such a drop off in quality between Diary and Bark?

**EJC** · 08.05.22, 03:53 PM

Not picking on you Brook, but those Japanese QR albums get a really bad rap which is somewhat undeserved. And here's why:

First off, they were going more for 70s glam bullshit than "rock".

Randy/Kevin didn't have the experience of working with Gene Simmons (who was the pretty much the biggest rockstar of the time) showing them "the ropes" so to speak in the studio BEFORE they recorded their debut album.

The budget for those QR albums was probably less than my mortgage payment.

They certainly didn't have Warner Brothers $$ behind them, and industry heavyweight producers...

One of the coolest things Kevin Dubrow ever did, was have some of those tracks re-recorded properly. Take a listen to the finished product, which still is not even live drums, but it's an idea of what QR could have sounded like with a real producer and some $$$:

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that track or the guitar playing...

Just sayin... We have to compare apples to apples when it comes to Quiet Riot 1977 and Van Halen 1978

~E

**bklynboy68** · 08.05.22, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by EJC

Not picking on you Brook, but those Japanese QR albums get a really bad rap which is somewhat undeserved. And here's why:

First off, they were going more for 70s glam bullshit than "rock".

Randy/Kevin didn't have the experience of working with Gene Simmons (who was the pretty much the biggest rockstar of the time) showing them "the ropes" so to speak in the studio BEFORE they recorded their debut album.

The budget for those QR albums was probably less than my mortgage payment.

They certainly didn't have Warner Brothers $$ behind them, and industry heavyweight producers...

One of the coolest things Kevin Dubrow ever did, was have some of those tracks re-recorded properly. Take a listen to the finished product, which still is not even live drums, but it's an idea of what QR could have sounded like with a real producer and some $$$:

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that track or the guitar playing...

Just sayin... We have to compare apples to apples when it comes to Quiet Riot 1977 and Van Halen 1978

~E

I thought we were talking about Diary vs Fair Warning and whether Randy was on Eddie's level?

Am I missing something?

**Little Dreamer** · 08.05.22, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Rokgtar

I know Bob is a great bassist, arranger and lyricist, but if he wrote so much, why was there such a drop off in quality between Diary and Bark?

Because there wasn't. The Jake E Lee records have very similar chord progressions to the Randy ones. And guess what, when Ozzy changed guitarist yet again in 88 and brought in unknown Zakk Wyld, some teenager from NJ with zero experience at the time, it STILL sounded similar on No Rest For The Wicked. Why? Bob Daisley, that's why.

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**Little Dreamer** · 08.05.22, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by bklynboy68

I thought we were talking about Diary vs Fair Warning and whether Randy was on Eddie's level?

Am I missing something?

Fair Warning vs Diary, FW is superior but that's like a Borg/McEnroe wimby final on center court in 81. Classic records, both of them.

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**Rokgtar** · 08.05.22, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Little Dreamer

Because there wasn't. The Jake E Lee records have very similar chord progressions to the Randy ones. And guess what, when Ozzy changed guitarist yet again in 88 and brought in unknown Zakk Wyld, some teenager from NJ with zero experience at the time, it STILL sounded similar on No Rest For The Wicked. Why? Bob Daisley, that's why.

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Yes there was.

**bklynboy68** · 08.05.22, 06:24 PM

There was a difference due to the fact that Ozzy went for a more mainstream sound. The best Ozzy albums are the first two.

**EJC** · 08.05.22, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by bklynboy68

I thought we were talking about Diary vs Fair Warning and whether Randy was on Eddie's level?

Am I missing something?

Ah, my bad brother. Someone else was comparing QR1 to VH1 !

**Little Dreamer** · 08.05.22, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by EJC

This was the man's last studio recording. If it were his only recording, it cements him in history.

No use arguing about it. I've never met a guitar player who didn't fall somewhere between "respect" and "obsession" with Rhoads. All the top dogs (Vai, Satch, Petrucci, Wylde, Nuno) mention Rhoads' influence on their playing somewhere along the line. Never heard anyone of them say "eh what's the big deal".

I've played guitar since 1987 and still go back to Dee, Diary, and a bunch of Randy's solos as part of my warm-up because they are like mini compositions within a song. Not just "Shredding" or whatever... You have to "think" about exactly what you are playing. Hard to explain to someone who doesn't play guitar. If you run through his shit note for note, it's like a damn guitar lesson in constructing a solo using different scales, modes.

Rhoads is and was a big deal, no question. Here we're rating players like someone ranking MJ, LeBron, Steph Curry, Kobe, etc. The order you rank them in doesn't mean they're not all great.