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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    Sorry Mike but I will say what I have said to DD several times in this thread. We didn't send them old weapons. Sure some of them were but the bulk of the weapons have been used in the 2000's by our troops. Most since the 2010's. I sent the weapons systems long time ago which have been given and at lest 75% of them are current weapons in our inventory.

    People think we are sending them Wildcats, Sherman tanks and some Spencer Carbine rifles from the Civil War.

    Its simply a talking point that was repeated in the beginning and now is the truth. Never was close to it. Just was justification for sending weapons. "Oh we are not sending anything in our inventory.Just sitting around in warehouses not being used" We have shortages now du9e to this war
    It is a mix of our older Soviet stockpile and our older equipment. We aren't sending them M1 Abrams fresh off the assembly line, we are sending them older models (hell, we have been using them since the 1980's) and gutting them before we send them.

    We send them older Javelin systems, older Stingers, old AK47 and AK74 ammo from our Soviet stockpile, etc.

    The Switchblade drones we send over are obviously newer.

    We have sent them new sniper rifles and ammo, but from a conversation I had only a couple of months ago with a supplier, we were not sending any M4's and certain specific equipment to the Ukraine. Certain stuff we just don't want to be left on the battlefield that the Soviets, Chinese and Iranians can back-engineer.

    The most valuable asset we provide to the Ukraine is our technical surveillance and intelligence, we are decades ahead of our enemies in that regard.

    We dislike Russia, but we don't like the Ukraine enough to give them our best stuff.
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    I was told that Russia, along with China and Iran, were an Axis of Evil against America. With them helping Russia with stuff, there is no hope for Ukraine to outlast Russia in this War of Attrition.

    Two Years And $113 Billion Later, D.C.’s ‘America Last’ Crew Has No Plan For Ending The Russia-Ukraine War

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    Meanwhile they want to get rid of the standard cola for SS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardv View Post
    Meanwhile they want to get rid of the standard cola for SS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    They are going to kick the can on Social Security until right before benefits are going to be cut, then they will do something. It's just what they do, no plans of action, just emergency measures at the last minute.
    Yeah I know I honestly don't know how to run a business like that and I was a manager 43 years.

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    My biggest problem with funding Ukraine is not the money, but what is the plan? What are the milestones?

    If we are simply trying to outlast Russia there, well, it is a stupid plan, unless Putin all of a sudden keels over, that isn't happening.

    So what is the plan, and what are the dates in which certain milestones have to be made, or funding is pulled.

    There might be one, but I haven't seen it.

    I know some people won't believe me, but as a country, we have gotten great value out of this so far from a tactical point of view. It is a live lesson on how the Russian military would operate in a European theatre war.

    But it can't be an open checkbook with zero long term plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    My biggest problem with funding Ukraine is not the money, but what is the plan? What are the milestones?

    If we are simply trying to outlast Russia there, well, it is a stupid plan, unless Putin all of a sudden keels over, that isn't happening.

    So what is the plan, and what are the dates in which certain milestones have to be made, or funding is pulled.

    There might be one, but I haven't seen it.

    I know some people won't believe me, but as a country, we have gotten great value out of this so far from a tactical point of view. It is a live lesson on how the Russian military would operate in a European theatre war.

    But it can't be an open checkbook with zero long term plan.
    I have a problem with it.

    We donít take care of our returning vets and the ones who have served. So why the hell are we giving the money that can go to help that to Ukraine?

    Russia has what they want. Theyíre not gonna give it back. Just take the beating and move on. Outside of just bombing the fuck out of the territories that they have, thereís no way they can win.

    Just chalk it up, join nato and carry on.


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    What bothers me is the intellectually dishonest nature that revolves around some of the Russia/Ukraine/Israel/Hamas discussion.

    I don't claim to be the most knowledgeable person of every single part of this, but the idea that if you don't want endless money going to Ukraine and/or Israel... Well, you must be a Putin fan boy, or you must love terror groups and are anti Jewish. It's nonsense.

    This sort of framing is not that different from what Bush, Republicans and the media told us back when they were trying to justify their "war on terror". When they were saying: "You're with us, or against us!". I vaguely remember good ole' dubbya saying something like that back in the day. Then we got the whole "freedom fries" crap.lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by fudd View Post
    I have a problem with it.

    We don’t take care of our returning vets and the ones who have served. So why the hell are we giving the money that can go to help that to Ukraine?

    Russia has what they want. They’re not gonna give it back. Just take the beating and move on. Outside of just bombing the fuck out of the territories that they have, there’s no way they can win.

    Just chalk it up, join nato and carry on.


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    That is a false equivalency unfortunately.

    Congress isn't going to help the veterans, whether we give money to the Ukraine and Israel or not. It isn't an either or situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rover View Post
    Hasn't our country had enough "military exercises" with Iraq and Afghanistan???
    The country has. Not DC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    That is a false equivalency unfortunately.

    Congress isn't going to help the veterans, whether we give money to the Ukraine and Israel or not. It isn't an either or situation.
    Ok but the fact that the Ukraine is a priority over the homeland is wrong. Soon it how you want.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fudd View Post
    Ok but the fact that the Ukraine is a priority over the homeland is wrong. Soon it how you want.


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    The southern border has been an issue for decades, and no one has done a damn thing about it, and it will continue on that way, no matter who is POTUS, until an attack on the Homeland happens that you can draw a line to the open border being the case.

    Everyone knew the US was wide open in 2001, and no one did anything about it until 9/11.

    Social Security will be bankrupt in ten years, and they will wait until midnight the night before we default to do something about it. It is the nature of Congress. We can sit in here and nash our teeth about it all we want to, but it won't change how Congress is.

    You have to look at each policy on its own, not look at the the other policies and say "why are you ignoring those?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    The southern border has been an issue for decades, and no one has done a damn thing about it, and it will continue on that way, no matter who is POTUS, until an attack on the Homeland happens that you can draw a line to the open border being the case.

    Everyone knew the US was wide open in 2001, and no one did anything about it until 9/11.

    Social Security will be bankrupt in ten years, and they will wait until midnight the night before we default to do something about it. It is the nature of Congress. We can sit in here and nash our teeth about it all we want to, but it won't change how Congress is.

    You have to look at each policy on its own, not look at the the other policies and say "why are you ignoring those?"
    Ok. Letís dive a little further into that.

    So if everything you just wrote is true, and I have no reason to doubt you, then why the fuck are we sending 50,000,000,000 dollars to the Ukraine? Think of how much that could help not only the border, the social security fund, and our homeland.

    Why are people ok with this? Look, assistance for a year? Ok. Well throw in on the help. Year two, sorry, we got our own shit going on at home.

    Zelenskyy is always waving his tin cup and he always will. I donít like what Russia has done, but at the end of the day, it really isnít our issue unless we make it ours.

    Think about this, we just sent the monetary equivalent of Jeff Bezosís fortune to the Ukraine.

    This isnít right.


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