Was Eddie Van Halen @ his creative peak w/ Mean Street? Dweezil explains.
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    i think trans trem ed was peak creativity but 81 ed was still working on the bag of tricks. it certainly was a peak in the sense of going for something super autistic and out of the box, probably the most unorthodox thing he did.

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    Was Eddie Van Halen @ his creative peak w/ Mean Street?

    Ummmm, no.

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    If I’m not mistaken as well, that’s around the time where Ed spent a lot of time with frank and dweezil. So his opinion could be just first hand.


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    In terms of technique and innovation, I'd agree. You didn't hear much in the way of "new" after Fair Warning. He had established his language and from that point on everything was mostly very familiar. His writing style changed as he aged and worked with different singers, but there were no more new, "Oh, my God! How'd he do THAT?!" kinds of moments on every record. Hey, they guy took it to the limit in a few short years. Eventually, there's no place else to go. But, I agree 100% that it was his peak.

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    Full disclaimer: I haven't watched the video/listened to the clip.

    I do think Fair Warning in general was likely Ed's creative peak in terms of the style he founded and was known for. I do think '96-'98 were a second sort of peak for him in terms of freedom and branching out into whatever he wanted to do, which just wasn't as commercially viable or well received with VH3.

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    I agree mostly with this take. From FW up throught the recording of 1984. I believe on FW tour he was doing parts of Cathedral so that technicque was there. Maybe not Little Guitars intro so that was something possibly later than FW. Also the flip top guitar which he playeed like a piano. The part from Judgement Day was actualy done on that during 1984. I always thought that when Eddie stopped being influenced by Holdsworth was the end of him being a guitar hero. Not blaming Valerie but he found his love and that obviouisly took him away from his other love of guitar. Natural to happen

    Loved his songs with post 1984 but as an innovator he was pretty much done. Not his fault. Only so much you can do with the time you have and with other things being more important

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    Quote Originally Posted by iplayguitaralot View Post
    i think trans trem ed was peak creativity but 81 ed was still working on the bag of tricks. it certainly was a peak in the sense of going for something super autistic and out of the box, probably the most unorthodox thing he did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    I agree mostly with this take. From FW up throught the recording of 1984. I believe on FW tour he was doing parts of Cathedral so that technicque was there. Maybe not Little Guitars intro so that was something possibly later than FW. Also the flip top guitar which he playeed like a piano. The part from Judgement Day was actualy done on that during 1984. I always thought that when Eddie stopped being influenced by Holdsworth was the end of him being a guitar hero. Not blaming Valerie but he found his love and that obviouisly took him away from his other love of guitar. Natural to happen

    Loved his songs with post 1984 but as an innovator he was pretty much done. Not his fault. Only so much you can do with the time you have and with other things being more important
    Eddie was doing incorporating the volume knob swell bit during his solo spot into what would be refined as Cathedral as early as the late part of the 1979 tour and often during the 1980 tour. By the Fair Warning tour, he was playing what was essentially a finished version of Cathedral in his solo spot. I do agree that as far as coming up with "innovative" things on guitar, 1981 was the peak. IMO, the deal with the folding shelf and playing his guitar basically like a lap steel during his solo spot on the 1984 tour wasn't anything really revolutionary. To his credit, his playing did continually evolve through the 90's but I'll never be a big fan of the super processed tone he went for through the Hagar and Cherone eras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.B. View Post
    Eddie was doing incorporating the volume knob swell bit during his solo spot into what would be refined as Cathedral as early as the late part of the 1979 tour and often during the 1980 tour. By the Fair Warning tour, he was playing what was essentially a finished version of Cathedral in his solo spot. I do agree that as far as coming up with "innovative" things on guitar, 1981 was the peak. IMO, the deal with the folding shelf and playing his guitar basically like a lap steel during his solo spot on the 1984 tour wasn't anything really revolutionary. To his credit, his playing did continually evolve through the 90's but I'll never be a big fan of the super processed tone he went for through the Hagar and Cherone eras.
    But he wasn't playing it like a lap steel. I'm not sure how many guys were "piano tapping" at that point, and I certainly have never seen anybody put a contraption like that onto the back of a guitar, and he applied for a patent on the thing.

 

 

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