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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashe View Post
    Its amazing how prolific he was a writer. He had so much killer stuff, this tune just sat around for 10 years! There's no telling how much material he had.
    He was amazing but i don't think he was so prolific as a writer.
    The proof ?
    He reused an old inspiration while there had been three and a half years between beetween Balance and the last album, Fuck.
    Same thing for the first six album who drew their inspiration in old demos from 1977.
    And there are actually very few unreleased tracks on each album.

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    While I agree, you never know what is in 5150, it might be a treasure trove.

    Not counting The Beatles, Paul McCartney has released 26 solo rock albums, 7 classical albums, and 5 electronica albums.

    That's prolific.
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    If I had to bet... 5150 is probably full of jams and riffs. Thatís about it.

    In terms of albums upon albums worth of completed or partially completed, unreleased material? Doubtful.

    Whatever Ed/Al worked up and deemed good enough to be on an album, was released.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    If I had to bet... 5150 is probably full of jams and riffs. That’s about it.

    In terms of albums upon albums worth of completed or partially completed, unreleased material? Doubtful.

    Whatever Ed/Al worked up and deemed good enough to be on an album, was released.


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    We will never hear that stuff.

    Any 5150 stuff with DLR on it (from my memory, people in the VH camp at the time said nothing was recorded of DLR working on 5150, but who knows), the 2nd album with Gary, the 2000/01 demos with DLR, the ADKOT demos. Unreleased Sam tracks like Between Us Two and Backdoor Shuffle that Sam has talked about. I would be shocked if any of that sees the light of day.

    A lot of that stuff might be un-releasable, there is a wide variance in what people call a "demo".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    We will never hear that stuff.

    Any 5150 stuff with DLR on it (from my memory, people in the VH camp at the time said nothing was recorded of DLR working on 5150, but who knows), the 2nd album with Gary, the 2000/01 demos with DLR, the ADKOT demos. Unreleased Sam tracks like Between Us Two and Backdoor Shuffle that Sam has talked about. I would be shocked if any of that sees the light of day.

    A lot of that stuff might be un-releasable, there is a wide variance in what people call a "demo".
    Iíd love to hear the 00/01 DLR demos. If I had to choose, Iíd want to hear those.


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    If you pay attention to the last second of the video, Ed says "wait, wait, wait..." like there was more to come. Would be cool if that was foreshadowing!

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    I think the less Eddie played guitar, the less he wrote for guitar. I think as his got married, had Wolfgang, developed his brand, etc the less he played. I mean until the addictions took over it seemed that he and Valerie did a lot together. From what we hear he was involved in Wolfgang's life. So I believe unless an album was coming or a tour, he simply didn't play much. Heck he did say before FUCK he didn't play for a year. Obviously he likely did but he was being a new dad.

    I know some get their inspiration from not playing guitar but I do think Eddie was one of those guys who had to noodle for the creative spark to arrive. Or at least what we believe to be VH type songs.

    The biggest shock to me is how one in 1985/6 can hear that and not go "we got to make this into a song for the next album" Can't believe it sat for so long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed' View Post
    He was amazing but i don't think he was so prolific as a writer.
    The proof ?
    He reused an old inspiration while there had been three and a half years between beetween Balance and the last album, Fuck.
    Same thing for the first six album who drew their inspiration in old demos from 1977.
    And there are actually very few unreleased tracks on each album.
    Did Eddie release a mountain of albums? No, not when you compare him to other musicians or bands. But we've all seen the wall of tapes. And who knows what else he had stashed away that we haven't seen? I'm certain he had a mountain of ideas when it was time to record an album. He was always writing. He would call Sammy in the middle of the night. He even installed recording equipment in his bathroom.

    Also, Eddie seemed to be a quality over quantity type of person. The Rolling Stones have released a ton of albums. Not all of them are memorable. I've lost count of the number of albums Joe Satriani has put out. And as much as I love AC/DC, the same goes for them too. But with Van Halen, the quality was always high, to me it was anyway. That can only come from having a massive selection to choose from. That quote from years ago when Eddie said he had enough ideas for 10 albums--I don't think he was exaggerating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    I’d love to hear the 00/01 DLR demos. If I had to choose, I’d want to hear those.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed' View Post
    He was amazing but i don't think he was so prolific as a writer.
    The proof ?
    He reused an old inspiration while there had been three and a half years between beetween Balance and the last album, Fuck.
    Same thing for the first six album who drew their inspiration in old demos from 1977.
    And there are actually very few unreleased tracks on each album.
    I tend to disagree. He has so many of these partial songs, thereís no way he could ever remember them all, whether it it was him, his engineer, Al or whoever may have been present. Something Ed did years ago and likely right up near his passing is inconceivable to me anyone could recall even 1/4 of what he laid down. Iím betting he just by chance pulled the Amsterdam tape out and likely forgot what he had. With Amsterdam, I doubt he recalled creating that 10 years later. My money is on pure luck or happenstance. And letís not forget, most of this was before digital where he could easily store and iD it much easier. Seems like Ed wrote more music over the years than is even imaginable. Remembering stuff he did 10-15 before and relocating it would not be realistic. It will take Al and Wolf years to go through the magnitude of music he created. And I bet we get stuff we cannot conceive wasnít released earlier or developed further. Ed was a machineÖ
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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    The biggest shock to me is how one in 1985/6 can hear that and not go "we got to make this into a song for the next album" Can't believe it sat for so long.

    Exactly. That's what surprised me too. Eddie developed a song that far, then put it on a shelf for 8 or 10 years. Crazy. I guess he felt it didn't fit with the rest of the stuff he was writing at the time.

    Who knows? If he had changed his mind, maybe we are sitting here with the music for Amsterdam on OU812, and just now watching newly uncovered footage of him noodling on a rough version of Black and Blue.
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    It's quite possible it only sat on the shelf because he wrote the riff with Dave in mind, and then never really felt it fit Sam and the newer direction of the band. Then in '94 when Ed wasn't really interested in writing for Sam anymore, he probably started recycling old riffs for Balance and gave Sam this one (amongst others perhaps)

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    Everything happens for a reason. This song fit perfectly with the music on Balance.

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