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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    Next up are the Dallas Cowboys and Cincinnati Bengals ...
    Oh don't jinx my team any more than they already are. They are liable to name them the Cincinnati Skyline Chili Dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MD 5150 View Post
    Our society has become a joke. 120 years being the Cleveland Indians, not sure how using Indians can be offensive.
    Don’t mean to assume, but I guess I have to assume you’re not Native American?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    Don’t mean to assume, but I guess I have to assume you’re not Native American?


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    My guess is some Indians are offended and others like it. Just like everything else it does not fit neatly in a box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phast View Post
    My guess is some Indians are offended and others like it. Just like everything else it does not fit neatly in a box.

    Some might not care, this is true. I won’t assume what the Native American community feels when they see a team named the Indians.

    But calling an Indigenous person an “Indian” is viewed as offensive up here and it’s nothing new. I knew that when I was in grade school.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    Some might not care, this is true. I won’t assume what the Native American community feels when they see a team named the Indians.

    But calling an Indigenous person an “Indian” is viewed as offensive up here and it’s nothing new. I knew that when I was in grade school.


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    Yep when I was a child I play cowboys and native americans. Pffffffff

    Along with police officers and social justice warriors.

    I would guess if they were a very touchy person they would not want to be called native american either but by their tribal name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    Some might not care, this is true. I won’t assume what the Native American community feels when they see a team named the Indians.

    But calling an Indigenous person an “Indian” is viewed as offensive up here and it’s nothing new. I knew that when I was in grade school.


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    Probably because they aren't Indians.

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    In 1492, that Italian fucker sailing under a Spanish flag misnamed the indigenous people of the Western Hemisphere and brought slavery and genocide to them as gifts from the Old World. It's kind of offensive to still be referring to Natives of the Western Hemisphere as Indians.

    FWIW, I'm not a Cleveland fan, but I think the new name and logos are pretty cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VH1986 View Post
    In 1492, that Italian fucker sailing under a Spanish flag misnamed the indigenous people of the Western Hemisphere and brought slavery and genocide to them as gifts from the Old World. It's kind of offensive to still be referring to Natives of the Western Hemisphere as Indians.

    FWIW, I'm not a Cleveland fan, but I think the new name and logos are pretty cool.
    And without Columbus none of us would live the great lives in the great countries we do. You can't blame one man for all the ills in our history. I am non apologetic person when it comes to history. I can't change what I did not do. Domination has happened to every civilization in history from before the ancient Greeks til present day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phast View Post
    And without Columbus none of us would live the great lives in the great countries we do. You can't blame one man for all the ills in our history. I am non apologetic person when it comes to history. I can't change what I did not do. Domination has happened to every civilization in history from before the ancient Greeks til present day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phast View Post
    And without Columbus none of us would live the great lives in the great countries we do. You can't blame one man for all the ills in our history. I am non apologetic person when it comes to history. I can't change what I did not do. Domination has happened to every civilization in history from before the ancient Greeks til present day.

    ANYHOW THIS IS AN MLB THREAD
    You cannot change what you did not do, but you should not dismiss or ignore actual history or you contribute to the resurrection and/or perpetuation of such attitudes and behaviors .
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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
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    My manager is Native American and he was busting my balls on the name change yesterday. Saying "what the hell is going on?" My good friend is 1/4 Native American with a very Native American last name. I have seen him go toe to toe vs the Native American protesters on Opening Day arguing for Chief Wahoo and the Name. Mind you these protesters that numbered about 10 Native Americans and about 40 white people only showed up on Opening Day. So some Native Americans don't agree with being upset. Now that doesn't mean Chief Wahoo needed to be removed. Doesn't mean that there are some sensitivities with the name. I get that but common sense also needs to prevail. Chief Wahoo was the big target. Nobody complained about the name. In fact for Clevleand to get the All Star game 2 or 3 years ago, they had to agree with MLB on removing Chief Wahoo. THat was it. No name change was required

    Then the Summer of Love happened and they overreacted like Land O Lakes and others. We had a few companies that overreached cause they thought they would be cancelled. The Indians did the same. They screwed up however they couln'd to back

    Now I do get that if you poll Native Americans you will get some who don't care and some who do. Just like if you poll Scandinavian people about the Vikings mascot, you will find people who don't care and people like myself who think that a Viking wearing horns is a stereotype and should be removed. There is zero historical evidence that a Viking wore horns. Oh and they were not unkempt people. In fact they were the cleanest people in Europe. They used brushes and such. Plus they were so much more than raiders. They were better at being merchants and tradesman than being raiders. My mom is 100% Danish and belongs to Danish orgs and believe me there are Danes who are upset with the name.

    Should the NFL abolish the name because some Danes are pissed? Hell no. Just like the Fighting Irish. I am sure there are some Irish who hate the mascot of a freaking fighting leprochaun. Should ND change? No.

    Oh and what about the Braves? Isn't that a white man name for a fighting Native American? Lets ban that. San Diego Padres? Isn't a priest showing prefernece for the Catholic religion?

    Simple fact is that common sense says Chief Wahoo was over the top. Ok replace that. Leave the freaking name alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    My manager is Native American and he was busting my balls on the name change yesterday. Saying "what the hell is going on?" My good friend is 1/4 Native American with a very Native American last name. I have seen him go toe to toe vs the Native American protesters on Opening Day arguing for Chief Wahoo and the Name. Mind you these protesters that numbered about 10 Native Americans and about 40 white people only showed up on Opening Day. So some Native Americans don't agree with being upset. Now that doesn't mean Chief Wahoo needed to be removed. Doesn't mean that there are some sensitivities with the name. I get that but common sense also needs to prevail. Chief Wahoo was the big target. Nobody complained about the name. In fact for Clevleand to get the All Star game 2 or 3 years ago, they had to agree with MLB on removing Chief Wahoo. THat was it. No name change was required

    Then the Summer of Love happened and they overreacted like Land O Lakes and others. We had a few companies that overreached cause they thought they would be cancelled. The Indians did the same. They screwed up however they couln'd to back

    Now I do get that if you poll Native Americans you will get some who don't care and some who do. Just like if you poll Scandinavian people about the Vikings mascot, you will find people who don't care and people like myself who think that a Viking wearing horns is a stereotype and should be removed. There is zero historical evidence that a Viking wore horns. Oh and they were not unkempt people. In fact they were the cleanest people in Europe. They used brushes and such. Plus they were so much more than raiders. They were better at being merchants and tradesman than being raiders. My mom is 100% Danish and belongs to Danish orgs and believe me there are Danes who are upset with the name.

    Should the NFL abolish the name because some Danes are pissed? Hell no. Just like the Fighting Irish. I am sure there are some Irish who hate the mascot of a freaking fighting leprochaun. Should ND change? No.

    Oh and what about the Braves? Isn't that a white man name for a fighting Native American? Lets ban that. San Diego Padres? Isn't a priest showing prefernece for the Catholic religion?

    Simple fact is that common sense says Chief Wahoo was over the top. Ok replace that. Leave the freaking name alone.
    Braves ownership and management has said they will not be changing the name.


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