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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    Oh please. We’ve seen that guy lose so many fucking games that have really mattered. He’s lost World Series games, he’s lost important playoff games. He is definitely worth complaining about because he has been a huge fucking problem the last several years. Doesn’t matter that he’s had a decent start to the season. Of course he already did blow a save this year, no fucking surprise.
    playoff ERA - 2.40. In the only bad postseason he's ever had, you guys won the World Series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    I’m not so much talking about the approach of today’s player, I’m talking about being at that level and trying to make a gigantic change in your batting habits to accommodate the shift. I don’t think that is nearly as easy as some people here have suggested.

    I think Hack would give the best insight we could possibly get on the site of how difficult that is to do for a professional player.
    No player in his right mind changes his swing to take into account the shift. The question is more - can a guy bunt occasionally to make it go away. Granted, the list of guy major impacts is rather small but those guys (the Jay Bruces of the world) might want to learn to bunt so they can add 30 points to their BA.

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    I donít think thereís any problem with a power guy laying down the occasional bunt sure. But I donít know if itís going to change anything with how he is played defensively. A guy would have to do a lot more than just a couple bunt hits to get the shift to go away for him. I think it would take a lot of proven results legitimately going the other way before that would happen. And I think trying to change the playerís habits, certainly older players, seems very unrealistic. A guy thatís been pulling the ball his entire career is isnít going to be able to change much about his swing at age 35. And he wonít want to either. But yeah if he is interested in raising his batting average a bit, I guess he could throw down some bunts if he really wanted to. I think trying to convince a Jay Bruce to raise his batting average a few points by bunting instead of launching the ball 450 feet is a tough sell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    I don’t think there’s any problem with a power guy laying down the occasional bunt sure. But I don’t know if it’s going to change anything with how he is played defensively. A guy would have to do a lot more than just a couple bunt hits to get the shift to go away for him. I think it would take a lot of proven results legitimately going the other way before that would happen. And I think trying to change the player’s habits, certainly older players, seems very unrealistic. A guy that’s been pulling the ball his entire career is isn’t going to be able to change much about his swing at age 35. And he won’t want to either. But yeah if he is interested in raising his batting average a bit, I guess he could throw down some bunts if he really wanted to. I think trying to convince a Jay Bruce to raise his batting average a few points by bunting instead of launching the ball 450 feet is a tough sell.
    End of the day, guys like him who won't adjust will play themselves out of full-time at-bats and the league. I don't care what kind of power you have, if you end up hitting .200 because everything on the ground is an auto out you won't have a great career.

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    I didn't play at any elite level, just a year in college very poorly.

    But I played in the 80's, so we still did hit and runs, run and hits, sac bunts, hitting behind the runner, etc.

    So, if someone put that kind of shift on, most batters in that era at the collegiate level would say "thank you very much". But, I think as Brett said, most hitters except for the handful of power guys were using the whole field anyway and wouldn't have a shift used against them in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    I don’t think there’s any problem with a power guy laying down the occasional bunt sure. But I don’t know if it’s going to change anything with how he is played defensively. A guy would have to do a lot more than just a couple bunt hits to get the shift to go away for him. I think it would take a lot of proven results legitimately going the other way before that would happen. And I think trying to change the player’s habits, certainly older players, seems very unrealistic. A guy that’s been pulling the ball his entire career is isn’t going to be able to change much about his swing at age 35. And he won’t want to either. But yeah if he is interested in raising his batting average a bit, I guess he could throw down some bunts if he really wanted to. I think trying to convince a Jay Bruce to raise his batting average a few points by bunting instead of launching the ball 450 feet is a tough sell.
    It won't change anything for the power guys if they laid down an occasional bunt. Like I said, teams would be fine with giving up a single to the big guys and setting up a potential DP, rather than a HR. Those hitters are stuck with the shift.

    The Matt Carpenters of the world have more of a willingness and ability, apparently, to successfully bunt or even slap the ball the other way. But, honestly, I don't think the shift will go away for him either. Like you said, the frequency of such adjustments on his part are not happening enough for such returns to 'normalcy' in defensive alignment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    But I played in the 80's, so we still did hit and runs, run and hits, sac bunts, hitting behind the runner, etc.
    Speaking of the 1980s.... Have you guys seen what Ramůn Laureano in Oakland is doing right now? 8 Stolen Bases in 10 games. That is more then most entire teams have...lol.. Super aggressive.

    Rangers, 12
    Rockies, 9
    Ramon Laureano, 8
    Marlins, 8
    Phillies, 8
    Cubs, 8

    That pace over a year, that is a 100 SB season. Though I am sure catchers will start to catch on when Laureano gets on base going forward. While he is fast, he doesn't have elite speed.

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    The jump is almost as important when stealing bases anyway. With the lead you take plus the slide, it really amounts to a 20 yd dash, the jump and how well you go into your slide are real important as well.

    Stat geeks will tell you that it's:

    Top speed
    Jump
    When you start to decelerate
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    This is taking the pitcher and catcher out of it, and we all know you actually steal on the pitcher. Combine a pitcher with an elite time to home plate and an elite catcher behind the plate, it's almost impossible to steal a base.

    I think that is one thing we are forgetting in the modern MLB (at least I am), that most pitchers are much quicker to the plate now in comparison to 20-30 years ago.
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    Jansen blew it again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michaels View Post
    Jansen blew it again
    Everybody on the Yankees blowing it again. Wow, they are off to a lousy start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michaels View Post
    Jansen blew it again
    Dude walks Machado with 2 outs and nobody on with a 6-5 lead in the bottom of the ninth. Machado then steals 2nd, advances to 3rd on a wild pitch and scores the tying on a base hit by Hosmer on a 1-2 pitch. I turned the game off after the Dodgers didn't score in the top of the 11th and went to sleep thinking that the Dodgers were toast ...

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    F Jansen. Loser. Luckily the Dodgers were able to overcome his ineptness yet again. Fucking worthless. But yeah heís not a problem. Not at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    F Jansen. Loser. Luckily the Dodgers were able to overcome his ineptness yet again. Fucking worthless. But yeah he’s not a problem. Not at all.
    Will Dave Roberts never learn?
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    Will Dave Roberts never learn?
    Nope he will not. And the only reason itís not a big issue is because the Dodgers are so ridiculously good they just figure out ways to win when he fucks up. For any other team the guy would be finished as a closer. As he should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    playoff ERA - 2.40. In the only bad postseason he's ever had, you guys won the World Series.
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