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    Quote Originally Posted by VHrox12 View Post
    Musically speaking Ed and Alex made a great choice with Gary Cherone. III was a good album has some good songs on it but it's not one of Gary's best albums vocally for whatever reason. Without You, Fire In The Hole, A Year To The Day, Once, Josephina, How Many Say I some of the best VH3 era tracks. I would love to hear the rumored followup one day. Ed and Alex though made a good decision. Just listen to the Extreme catalog before Gary was hired. His live performances with the band was amazing.

    As for Mitch's description of Gary's departure in Van Halen I have read and heard different takes but it sounds like Ed was heartbroken. Not sure what really went down if it was the record label (I doubt it) or Gary wanted to get Extreme back together. The Tribe Of Judah album with Pat, Mike happened after the VH split and had songs on it that were set to be on the bands followup to VH3.

    I wonder if we will ever really know what truly caused the split of Cherone's small era in Van Halen. Sounds like even Gary's accounts were sweetened up a bit.

    I still to this day though defend Van Halen's decision with hiring Gary. We definitely did not get enough material out of this third stint of Van Halen.
    Did Warner Brothers play a part in Gary's departure from Van Halen? By all accounts, Gary Cherone is a great guy. Dude has an excellent voice and I absolutely loved the first couple of Extreme albums, but he was a horrible fit in Van Halen. The world was ready for the OG reunion with Roth in 1996 and the VH brothers blew it. Plain and simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    Did Warner Brothers play a part in Gary's departure from Van Halen? By all accounts, Gary Cherone is a great guy. Dude has an excellent voice and I absolutely loved the first couple of Extreme albums, but he was a horrible fit in Van Halen. The world was ready for the OG reunion with Roth in 1996 and the VH brothers blew it. Plain and simple.
    I read rumbles in interviews maybe but how much isn't really known. I don't think Gary was a horrible fit for Van Halen, they made the right decision. He was open to singing live the whole Van Halen catalog, no ego. Ed and Alex at that time didn't want anything to do with DLR as you know. They had a falling out with Sammy, I am happy we got one Van Halen album instead of nothing. At the time Ed and Alex wanted a singer with no ego and Gary was a perfect fit at the time because Nuno broke Extreme up and wanted to go solo which was stupid. So Gary was free to join another band and got the Van Halen gig. It made commercial sense to reunite with DLR but they wanted to do their own thing for a change. There was huge emphasis on having an ego free singer at the time Gary was chosen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNGLE DRUMMER View Post
    When Ed first got diagnosed with cancer, Dave was one of the first people to call him and hook him up with some well renowned doctors in Houston I think it was, that he knew through his father.
    I think Dave is a really good person. You just have to accept that he lives in Dave World and once you take it from there, it's fine. I still remember being in my early teens watching the 1996 VMAs and feeling like "Oh that jerk Dave, of course they should be mad at him" but in retrospect I'm way more sympathetic to him, especially for what he went through during that period. I believe there's a common perception that his ego was too big for Van Halen, hence the solo career, but I think he always recognized that in Van Halen he was part of something greater than he could be as an individual and he always deferred to that. Anyway, I wasn't there so I could be way off base, LOL. Just a few of my thoughts from what I've read over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    I've never read anywhere that Ed loved Dave's onstage banter/sword dance/jumping from the drum riser. It seems more like Ed tolerated it more than anything else.
    I sometimes wonder if we're fans of the same band.

    You should know by now that you can't take Ed's comments at face value. In one breath he complains that no one gives him credit for his background singing (which, in case you haven't figured out, you have to know the lyrics to actually do) and then say "I don't pay attention to the lyrics".

    We all know that is bullshit, and we are ok with it, it's just how Ed was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    I sometimes wonder if we're fans of the same band.

    You should know by now that you can't take Ed's comments at face value. In one breath he complains that no one gives him credit for his background singing (which, in case you haven't figured out, you have to know the lyrics to actually do) and then say "I don't pay attention to the lyrics".

    We all know that is bullshit, and we are ok with it, it's just how Ed was.
    I'm not saying that Ed was right. I think the Diamond Dave persona was an important part of CVH. I'm not sure how much Ed was into that. When they reunited in 96, 2001, 2007, everything was always about how much Dave had changed - Dave changing was always mentioned in a good way, as in "thank God he's not the same as he used to be."
    As some mentioned, they wanted a singer without an ego. But that would never work in VH. VH's singer had to have a huge ego. That's one thing Dave and Sam had in common, and probably why the band also functioned well with Sammy at the helm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    I'm not saying that Ed was right. I think the Diamond Dave persona was an important part of CVH. I'm not sure how much Ed was into that. When they reunited in 96, 2001, 2007, everything was always about how much Dave had changed - Dave changing was always mentioned in a good way, as in "thank God he's not the same as he used to be."
    As some mentioned, they wanted a singer without an ego. But that would never work in VH. VH's singer had to have a huge ego. That's one thing Dave and Sam had in common, and probably why the band also functioned well with Sammy at the helm.
    My older brother had a good friend who played guitar in some small time band back in the late 1970s and that guy complained that all lead singers had huge egos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    My older brother had a good friend who played guitar in some small time band back in the late 1970s and that guy complained that all lead singers had huge egos.
    Getting up in front of crowd is no easy task for anyone, but to go up there and be the lead singer takes a certain level of bravado that most people don't have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    I think in 1996, Eddie's brain must've been downloaded by aliens. Something like that.
    This was probably the infancy of what we all witnessed in 2004
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    The reasons for Gary's departure have been known for years haven't they?

    Album & tour sales tanking + Ed's drinking + WB hearing no hits on the follow up + Gary personal issues back in Boston = breakup.

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    Band chemistry is important, and I don't mean liking each other.

    Obviously Ed can write a hit song, and so can Gary, but together they just didn't mesh into something very palatable.
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    Also in Extreme, Gary's voice and Nuno's meshed pretty well, think about something like Hole Hearted. Maybe Gary would've been a better fit with a young EVH, with songs like the ones from the early days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Band chemistry is important, and I don't mean liking each other.

    Obviously Ed can write a hit song, and so can Gary, but together they just didn't mesh into something very palatable.
    I don't agree, the chemistry was there. When they performed Josephina live acoustically it was awesome.

    This era of Van Halen though was 1 and done. People write Gary off but we really needed another record from them.

    Ed was writing Without You for instance even before Gary was hired. So he was obvlously going in a different direction musically for the followup to Balance.

    III was a different album for Van Halen but it has plenty of good songs on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Speedway View Post
    The reasons for Gary's departure have been known for years haven't they?

    Album & tour sales tanking + Ed's drinking + WB hearing no hits on the follow up + Gary personal issues back in Boston = breakup.
    I think I read Gary left the band when it was first reported and the split it was amicable. I don't think though WB had that much power to split the band up. Ed and Alex would be like f**kyou.

    I wish though they would have just finished the album and put it out for the fans anyway. I guess there are some songs recorded and finished that have never been heard before.

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    Also in Extreme, Gary's voice and Nuno's meshed pretty well, think about something like Hole Hearted. Maybe Gary would've been a better fit with a young EVH, with songs like the ones from the early days.
    I personally like How Many Say I, obviously Ed doesn't have the pipes of Nuno but he's an ok singer as a backup.

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    I don't agree.

    There isn't one single good song on Van Halen III. Most of it to me is actually unlistenable.

    Up For Breakfast is Beethoven's 5th Symphony compared to anything on VHIII.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Band chemistry is important, and I don't mean liking each other.

    Obviously Ed can write a hit song, and so can Gary, but together they just didn't mesh into something very palatable.
    Nuno and Gary certainly "click" better together, at least when viewing their album output together.
    But I think if Gary had had more input into the songs on III, it would at least vocally have sounded different. Mitch mentioned that he had heard the songs from III as instrumentals, so I guess that alot of the songs had already been finished and Gary had to sing to what was already on tape after he came on board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHrox12 View Post
    I don't agree, the chemistry was there. When they performed Josephina live acoustically it was awesome.

    This era of Van Halen though was 1 and done. People write Gary off but we really needed another record from them.

    Ed was writing Without You for instance even before Gary was hired. So he was obvlously going in a different direction musically for the followup to Balance.

    III was a different album for Van Halen but it has plenty of good songs on it.



    I think I read Gary left the band when it was first reported and the split it was amicable. I don't think though WB had that much power to split the band up. Ed and Alex would be like f**kyou.

    I wish though they would have just finished the album and put it out for the fans anyway. I guess there are some songs recorded and finished that have never been heard before.



    I personally like How Many Say I, obviously Ed doesn't have the pipes of Nuno but he's an ok singer as a backup.
    It was quite a departure, but that's not a bad thing.
    And the only song that sounds like CVH, Fire in the Hole, is actually the song that I like least.

    Ed could have used a little guidance, but I still listen to and enjoy it, as well as listening to the boots from the tour.

 

 

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