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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNGLE DRUMMER View Post
    This is great, but the 1984 version has always smoked it.
    Agreed, it's not even close. Gene Simmons is great with KISS, but as a producer he is miles away from the Templeman/Landee combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    Nice that Gene has come off of the “I discovered Van Halen” message of late cause it was always silly when he said it in the past.
    Hasn't he been pretty humble about it for years now? I feel like his comment in the Zlozower VH book was one along lines of saying he was blown away by them when he saw them live, but he wouldn't say he "discovered" them because they were so great that it was just a matter of time until they were huge.

    I'm not really a KISS fan (I could probably assemble a single CD of stuff that I truly like... maybe), but through the years Gene has become way more tolerable than Paul, IMO. In his older years, Gene seems to have dropped the schtick a bit and is capable of being more real and sincere. As Ashe said, he really seems to have a genuine affinity for VH, particularly Ed. Obviously he knew/knows the guys, but I think that deep down Gene is just a fan like the rest of us. He gets it.
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    VH Zero......very cool!! Love listening to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNGLE DRUMMER View Post
    This is great, but the 1984 version has always smoked it.
    1000% agreed. Love the demo but the studio version is nucking futs. Some of Eds best work. Its a car song. You NEED to be in a car with House of Pain on full blast to really appreciate how good it is. A fur riser indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    Agreed, it's not even close. Gene Simmons is great with KISS, but as a producer he is miles away from the Templeman/Landee combo.
    I'm not really talking about Gene or the production, which for a demo I think the 1976 HOP sounds very powerful. What I'm talking about is the performances, specifically by Ed and Al. And the arrangement, specifically the addition of the breakdown section and the solo and the outro.

    Those sections make the 1984 version a much more fully realized song. Just like the intro, breakdown, and outro make Beats Workin a more fully realized superior track to Put Out The Lights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchie5150 View Post
    1000% agreed. Love the demo but the studio version is nucking futs. Some of Eds best work. Its a car song. You NEED to be in a car with House of Pain on full blast to really appreciate how good it is. A fur riser indeed.
    Some of Al's best power drumming as well. And I love the addition of the cowbell breakdown that was originally in the 1980 instrumental Act Like It Hurts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNGLE DRUMMER View Post
    This is great, but the 1984 version has always smoked it.
    We've discussed this before. I love 'em both but it's kind of an unfair comparison. The '84 version is fully realized and well-produced and features a band 7-8 years more "mature."
    The demo version is a great demo. If you were to strip down the 84 version I don't think it would have the same balls as the demo. Either way, it's great that we have both versions to enjoy.

    I'm sure many rock bands would kill to have a demo that sounded like the original HOP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    Agreed, it's not even close. Gene Simmons is great with KISS, but as a producer he is miles away from the Templeman/Landee combo.
    To be fair, he was producing a demo, not a final product album, and compared to Templeman almost all producers fall short.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy812 View Post
    We've discussed this before. I love 'em both but it's kind of an unfair comparison. The '84 version is fully realized and well-produced and features a band 7-8 years more "mature."
    The demo version is a great demo. If you were to strip down the 84 version I don't think it would have the same balls as the demo. Either way, it's great that we have both versions to enjoy.

    I'm sure many rock bands would kill to have a demo that sounded like the original HOP.
    Strip it down, then. For me the 84 version would still smoke it because the brothers' playing is better.

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    The album version is so much better and interesting, with all the musical components.

    I never liked the Zero demo, all that much.
    There were weird overdubs, Ed seemed restrained, kind of a dry tone...

    What Ted & Donn did...
    I think Ted always comes off as so humble, yet what he captured & enhanced was
    the mark of a true Producer with a great engineer.

    Listen to the early versions of songs (Simple Rhyme, SGMAD, RWTD, etc.), then listen
    to how much better they became.

    The old version of "Fools" has this kinda goofy, down home 70's grunt.

    The WACF version sounds straight up mean.
    Loads of swagger, and boy did Dave up his game with that performance, no doubt
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    Ted was both a singer and a drummer himself. He had a tremendous influence on those records.
    TBH, post 1984 both Ed and Dave, for different reasons, didn't really give Ted the credit he deserved, that's why his reputation is not higher with the VH fan base. With time, though, I think he will be restored at his rightful place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    The album version is so much better and interesting, with all the musical components.

    I never liked the Zero demo, all that much.
    There were weird overdubs, Ed seemed restrained, kind of a dry tone...

    What Ted & Donn did...
    I think Ted always comes off as so humble, yet what he captured & enhanced was
    the mark of a true Producer with a great engineer.

    Listen to the early versions of songs (Simple Rhyme, SGMAD, RWTD, etc.), then listen
    to how much better they became.

    The old version of "Fools" has this kinda goofy, down home 70's grunt.

    The WACF version sounds straight up mean.
    Loads of swagger, and boy did Dave up his game with that performance, no doubt
    with some solid coaching by Ted.
    Exactly. That's why it's really an unfair comparison between the 2 HOP's. One's a demo and one's an officially-produced release. Yes, their musicianship in 84 was much better, the tone is better, the soloing is light years better, but the driving core of the demo I prefer. I really like Al's groove on the demo.

    But, as I've said, in the end they're two different songs to me. And I love 'em both.

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    I just do not like the Production style, with the endless EVH overdubs flying all over the place.

    It sounds so much cooler, like in "I'm the one," where he throws in a few licks between riffs.
    More off the cuff, instead of flown in.

    And i love the overdubs on things like HAIL & Fools, but they are done to layer and
    enhance parts of the song.

    I love Kiss & VH, but i def do not think Gene would be the right guy to capture them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy812 View Post
    Exactly. That's why it's really an unfair comparison between the 2 HOP's. One's a demo and one's an officially-produced release. Yes, their musicianship in 84 was much better, the tone is better, the soloing is light years better, but the driving core of the demo I prefer. I really like Al's groove on the demo.

    But, as I've said, in the end they're two different songs to me. And I love 'em both.
    He does the same 16th note double bass thump on both versions. What makes 84 better is all the accents on the toms and crashes, and the two handed hi-hat rhythm he throws in with the double kicks, that he didn't do on the original version.

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    Not to mention Ed's guitar solos on the 1984 version.
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