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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNGLE DRUMMER View Post
    The fact that Hendrix for about 50 years was just handed the GOAT title without even ANY debate does mean he is at least a little bit overrated. Doesn't take away from him being legendary or amazing to say so. But if you can't even at least concede that point then so be it.
    This is all subjective so I'm not trying to be combative or argumentative in the slightest. But here are my thoughts...

    There's nothing to cede and there was little debate because the world hadn't seen anybody like him and hasn't since.

    But if you're going to make the case for a guitarist being the greatest of all time, the arguments for Hendrix and Ed would be very similar. It's hard to argue that Hendrix wasnt/isnt the GOAT, but of course there can be a debate. There are plenty, as evidenced on this very site (albeit, from some who are so blinded by their allegiance to Ed) who don't think Hendrix was "all that".

    He changed the way everybody looked at how the electric guitar could be played and how it could sound. Clapton did it before him but not nearly to the same extent. Eric did it by plugging a Les Paul into a cranked Marshall. Nobody had done that before 1966. Ed did it after Hendrix in 1978 and really, nobody has done it since.

    So, no. Hendrix was not overrated. Hendrix was a vibe. He was an experience. He was other worldly at times. All before those adjectives would have ever been used to describe a guitar player. He was truly an original. "Hendrix is overrated" has been an all-too common thing to say about such a revolutionary player. And if you say it about Hendrix, you best not freak out if somebody says it about Ed.

    Because they were both the catalysts for seismic shifts in the guitar world.

    Hendrix is called the GOAT by many because he was the first. Literally the first to be what he was and to do what he did. There was virtually nothing before him aside from Clapton.

    Hendrix was the Big Bang and Eddie was Evolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    This is all subjective so I'm not trying to be combative or argumentative in the slightest. But here are my thoughts...

    There's nothing to cede and there was little debate because the world hadn't seen anybody like him and hasn't since.

    But if you're going to make the case for a guitarist being the greatest of all time, the arguments for Hendrix and Ed would be very similar. It's hard to argue that Hendrix wasnt/isnt the GOAT, but of course there is a debate. There are plenty, as evidenced on this very site (albeit, from some who are so blinded by their allegiance to Ed) who don't think Hendrix was "all that".

    He changed the way everybody looked at how the electric guitar could be played. Clapton did it before him but not nearly to the same extent. Ed did it after Hendrix and really, nobody has done it since.

    So, no. Hendrix was not overrated. That's been an all-too common thing to say for such a revolutionary player. And if you say it about Hendrix, you best not freak out if somebody says it about Ed.

    Because they were both the catalysts for seismic shifts in the guitar world.
    Very well put. Whatever one may think of Jimi or Eddie, it is pretty hard to dispute that they are the two most innovative and influential rock & roll guitarists of all-time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    Very well put. Whatever one may think of Jimi or Eddie, it is pretty hard to dispute that they are the two most innovative and influential rock & roll guitarists of all-time.
    I would agree. Where Ed took it far beyond Hendrix ever did was Ed not only changed people's perceptions of what guitars and amps could sound like, he literally changed the way guitar companies built guitars. As Les Paul himself correctly put it, when it came to being massively influential on how guitars were built and mass produced, there was Les himself, Leo Fender, and Edward Van Halen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNGLE DRUMMER View Post
    I would agree. Where Ed took it far beyond Hendrix ever did was Ed not only changed people's perceptions of what guitars and amps could sound like, he literally changed the way guitar companies built guitars. As Les Paul himself correctly put it, when it came to being massively influential on how guitars were built and mass produced, there was Les himself, Leo Fender, and Edward Van Halen.

    Really, if I had to pick three that changed the game for rock guitar, it's Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen.

    Out of those three, I personally think Eddie was the most complete package. His songwriting, rhythm playing and lead playing were spectacular. Not to mention everything he contributed to gear as you mentioned. I'm also a fan of guitarists who tune their guitar. But I will say I burned myself out with Ed and I hardly ever listen to VH stuff now but his influence is in my playing and always will be. I find myself listening to and figuring out Guthrie Trapp or Josh Smith licks now.

    Out of the generation of players that came before Ed I would pick Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page over Hendrix all day every day. But, it's all subjective.

    I think Marty Friedman made an interesting comment about Hendrix. I guess he never got the "Hendrix vibe" either.

    In an interview with Ultimate Guitar, Friedman says he'd "rather chew glass than listen to Hendrix." He adds, "I never got Hendrix. When I think of Hendrix, an image comes in my mind about a lot of hippies rolling around in mud tripping on acid and it just doesn't turn me on at all. And all that noise and feedback and I'm like, 'Play in tune.' I'm a big tuning guy and that's probably why I don't like Dylan because things go out of tune and it kills me."

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinners__swing View Post

    Really, if I had to pick three that changed the game for rock guitar, it's Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen.


    Out of the generation of players that came before Ed I would pick Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page over Hendrix all day every day. But, it's all subjective.

    I think Marty Friedman made an interesting comment about Hendrix. I guess he never got the "Hendrix vibe" either.

    In an interview with Ultimate Guitar, Friedman says he'd "rather chew glass than listen to Hendrix." He adds, "I never got Hendrix. When I think of Hendrix, an image comes in my mind about a lot of hippies rolling around in mud tripping on acid and it just doesn't turn me on at all. And all that noise and feedback and I'm like, 'Play in tune.' I'm a big tuning guy and that's probably why I don't like Dylan because things go out of tune and it kills me."
    1 Agree about the game changers section.

    2 Out of the generation before Ed, I would pick Ritchie Blackmore over Hendrix "all day everyday".

    3 Marty's opinion... Dear lord. Back in late 60s there was no Floyd Rose and locking tuners, Boss tuner pedals, and Jimi played psychedelic stuff that allowed to be a little out of tune here and there. Not the case when it comes to Marty and 80s shredding.

    Plus, I bet Marty never really chew glass. This is one of those owerblown, ridiculous comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcin View Post
    1 Agree about the game changers section.

    2 Out of the generation before Ed, I would pick Ritchie Blackmore over Hendrix "all day everyday".

    3 Marty's opinion... Dear lord. Back in late 60s there was no Floyd Rose and locking tuners, Boss tuner pedals, and Jimi played psychedelic stuff that allowed to be a little out of tune here and there. Not the case when it comes to Marty and 80s shredding.

    Plus, I bet Marty never really chew glass. This is one of those owerblown, ridiculous comments.
    Hendrix played in tune.

    That’s always been a moronic assessment from detractors of Hendrix.

    It’s also one I used to agree with back in the day, I admit. Mainly while the only guitar players I cared for were EVH, Eddie Van Halen and Edward van Halen.

    Plus, Marty giving his critical opinion on Hendrix is like Rachel Ray criticizing Julia Child. Everybody’s entitled to an opinion, but not every opinion carriers the same amount of merit and weight.


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    Hendrix fell out of tune quite frequently live. It's a moronic assessment to say he didn't. Either that or your ears don't fucking work. Yeah he fell out because he used the bar, I know, he still fell out of tune frequently and would continue to play. " I used to agree he played out of tune but then, uh, um, my hearing changed, my ears matured or something, and now I don't agree with that assessment any more". You're either in tune or not, the recordings don't change over time.

    As far Marty I don't care for his playing. I included his comment because I knew some people would have a melt down over it, like a wind up toy. A man child. But then again I would love to hear anybody in this thread play anything as well as Marty........... crickets.

    Even Ed wasn't a big Hendrix fan.

    Hendrix detractors. lmao. Grow up. Oh I forgot difference of opinion in this day and age is a problem.

    Some people think Hendrix is overrated, deal with, live with it, fuck off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcin View Post
    1 Agree about the game changers section.

    2 Out of the generation before Ed, I would pick Ritchie Blackmore over Hendrix "all day everyday".

    3 Marty's opinion... Dear lord. Back in late 60s there was no Floyd Rose and locking tuners, Boss tuner pedals, and Jimi played psychedelic stuff that allowed to be a little out of tune here and there. Not the case when it comes to Marty and 80s shredding.

    Plus, I bet Marty never really chew glass. This is one of those owerblown, ridiculous comments.

    Nobody would agree more with your number 2 opinion than Richie himself. But don't be a Hendrix detractor. You will annoy the Hendrix SJW's in the thread. You will also disrupt the psychedelic space time continuum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinners__swing View Post
    Nobody would agree more with your number 2 opinion than Richie himself. But don't be a Hendrix detractor. You will annoy the Hendrix SJW's in the thread. You will also disrupt the psychedelic space time continuum.
    His name is RiTchie, Ritchie Blackmore. On a sidenote, remember we have Yngwie J Malmsteen, not to be confused with all the other Yngwie Malmsteens.
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    Hendrix was a solo act, he wrote everything including the lyrics, sang. It's hard to compare. We could just say they both rock? No?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    We could just say they both rock? No?
    Absolutely. Because they both were revolutionary.


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    There's not really a debate because Hendrix, Blackmore, Clapton they're all amazing. But one could argue, back then, and before them, the best players were the jazz guys. The had way more speed and technical ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielleesale View Post
    Never heard this. That is incredible!!
    I heard the old one James posted but never this one. All those crazy "noises" like this, that's his trademark. A huge part of what set him apart. If not for stuff like this, Intruder (which is too cool) EWS, Eruption, Dirty Movies...What would've Marty played for George?

    I can recall listening to the new Diver Down record in 1982 thinking "this Intruder thing is freakin cool!"
    The build up, the beat, all the wild sounds, the scream....then right into PW...classic....yes I'll have another.

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