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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Vs. Dave View Post
    Me too! But how do you like this version?

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    I'll never put a Dave solo album over VH, but one thing Dave has that they don't (at least not in the same way) is a constant "feel good" sound with a sense of humor. Something about his albums put me into some kind of happy mood...like a drug. And Skyscraper is a great example of that. "Knucklebones" especially. And I'm not a depressed person or even a moody one. It just elevates my good moods. Weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DFVH5150 View Post
    I'll never put a Dave solo album over VH, but one thing Dave has that they don't (at least not in the same way) is a constant "feel good" sound with a sense of humor. Something about his albums put me into some kind of happy mood...like a drug. And Skyscraper is a great example of that. "Knucklebones" especially. And I'm not a depressed person or even a moody one. It just elevates my good moods. Weird.
    You make a good point! Iíd also like to add that this discussion has gone better now that weíre 50ish. 😳 Granted, I didnít read every reply. Maybe a pinch of COVID has brought to light how dumb it is to raise your blood pressure over stupid subjective arguments. I know it has for me. BTW, I read Ted Templemanís book this summer. It was very enjoyable. I learned quite a bit. As a fan, I have a lot of respect for all members of VH. Thatís past and present. Ted pointed out how hard it was to get the vocals out of Dave, but it was worth the hassle. He acknowledged that Dave is a rock lyrical genius and brought fun to the music. He said [whatever VH became after Dave couldnít of happened without the bandís original roots]. Ted had hoped that after EEAS and 5150 that Dave and VH wouldíve gotten back together. I never knew that. I wish that Dave hadnít fired Ted after EEAS. Ted says he was an ass about it. He was really hurt. If Dave hadnít done that and continued in the tradition of EEAS with Vai, Greg and Billy, his solo career would have faired a lot better. There was potential there, but he made one too many egotistical bone headed moves trying to match Van Hagarís commercial success. I still enjoy most of his solo stuff as well as VHís.
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    Bought both EEAS and 5150, saw both shows.

    I'd choose EEAS at this point.

    Direction-wise: I'll take the way more smokin approach and much hungrier Vai, Sheehan and Bissonette with Dave over the last vh album I bought until ADKOT.

    Simmons drums, no
    Journey songs, no
    Sammy lyrics, no (great vocalist yes)
    Even Eddie's solos peaked on the previous album. (rhythm playing was great however.)

    It was better than having nothing at all and got me through the summer.
    ... but 5150 and beyond with Sammy hasn't aged well for me.

    What could have been...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    Dreams, WCTBL, and LWI will be the ones that are to blame for picking EEAS.
    .......and Inside and Get Up..... EEAS all the way!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    Dreams, WCTBL, and LWI will be the ones that are to blame for picking EEAS.
    I dig Dreams and LWI. WCTBL, on the other hand ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrchristopher View Post
    Bought both EEAS and 5150, saw both shows.

    I'd choose EEAS at this point.

    Direction-wise: I'll take the way more smokin approach and much hungrier Vai, Sheehan and Bissonette with Dave over the last vh album I bought until ADKOT.

    Simmons drums, no
    Journey songs, no
    Sammy lyrics, no (great vocalist yes)
    Even Eddie's solos peaked on the previous album. (rhythm playing was great however.)

    It was better than having nothing at all and got me through the summer.
    ... but 5150 and beyond with Sammy hasn't aged well for me.

    What could have been...

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    Thatís funny because I have a lot more appreciation for the Sam era over time. Always liked it but itís just gotten better to me. Being 13 when VH1 hit and remembering where I was and what I was doing the second eruption blared over the speakers forever changed my musical preference. The first six are timeless and musically important. Their breakup was almost emotional for me. Hated EEAS although itís as close to original VH as one can get. Canít explain my disdain for Roth solo. Not really rational. Liked 5150. Like it much more now almost 35 years later.

    VAI is great. Love his playing. Kind of like a lot here feel about Sam, just didnít care for him in the VH mix. Dave grabbed him exactly because he was the closet Ed clone with clout out there. Which isnít a criticism. Just didnít work for me. To each their own...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFVH5150 View Post
    I'll never put a Dave solo album over VH, but one thing Dave has that they don't (at least not in the same way) is a constant "feel good" sound with a sense of humor. Something about his albums put me into some kind of happy mood...like a drug. And Skyscraper is a great example of that. "Knucklebones" especially. And I'm not a depressed person or even a moody one. It just elevates my good moods. Weird.
    I get your point, my friend. But I don't see a problem putting a Dave solo record over Van hagar.

    Many folks here do enjoy OUbreak12 a lot and I respect that - a few Linkers friends would call it their favourite record from that era. I just don't 'get' how that record could be superior to 5150, for example. Afar from stuff like Mine All Mine, All Fired Up and maybe Cabo Wabo, I don't care much about the rest of the tunes. Yeah, I dig Feels So Good, but just because it is a guilty pleasure and it has a killer guitar solo (and Alex =VH= using 02 ride cymbals as hi-hats).

    If I had to compare Van hagar's 2nd effort to Dave's 2nd solo album, it would be Skyscraper all the way!
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    Skyscraper and OU812 was a big moment for me and my friends, it was the end of VH at the top of the listening/party music ladder.

    GNR, Metallica and other bands simply moved past them.

    Not now, but at 17/18 years old, yeah, those albums were met with a resounding "thud" in our circle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Skyscraper and OU812 was a big moment for me and my friends, it was the end of VH at the top of the listening/party music ladder.

    GNR, Metallica and other bands simply moved past them.

    Not now, but at 17/18 years old, yeah, those albums were met with a resounding "thud" in our circle.
    Appetite For Destruction was to OU812 what Van Halen I was to Pieces Of Eight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    Appetite For Destruction was to OU812 what Van Halen I was to Pieces Of Eight.
    Meh.

    There are always new bands coming on the scene. GNR was one of those bands that shifted direction of hard rock much like VH did but I can't compare VH in 1988 to Stx in 1978. VH headlined Monsters of Rock that summer. They had several songs from the album on the radio and MTV. I'm not a Styx fan so maybe I missed that they were one of the top rock acts of 1978 because VH was still one of the top rock acts of 1988.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Skyscraper and OU812 was a big moment for me and my friends, it was the end of VH at the top of the listening/party music ladder.

    GNR, Metallica and other bands simply moved past them.

    Not now, but at 17/18 years old, yeah, those albums were met with a resounding "thud" in our circle.
    Especially 'Appetite.' It seemed everyone loved AFD. Metallica was big as well, but for some, they were still an acquired taste at that point. It wasn't until '91 when the Black Album came out that they really blew up. That was a BIG. It was the first time I had seen women liking Metallica songs.

    Don't forget Bon Jovi's New Jersey came out the same year as OU812, Hysteria was still putting singles out, Aerosmith was relevant again and blowing up. Thinking back to my high school years, those were the big bands at the time. VH was certainly among them, but they had simmered down after the 1984 and even 5150.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlindtotheWorld View Post
    Meh.

    There are always new bands coming on the scene. GNR was one of those bands that shifted direction of hard rock much like VH did but I can't compare VH in 1988 to Stx in 1978. VH headlined Monsters of Rock that summer. They had several songs from the album on the radio and MTV. I'm not a Styx fan so maybe I missed that they were one of the top rock acts of 1978 because VH was still one of the top rock acts of 1988.
    My comparison was more to the revolutionary sounds/impacts that VHI and AFD had in 1978 and 1987 as compared to the more generic sounds/impacts of Pieces of Eight and OU812 had in 1978 and 1988.
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    5150 represents such a drastic shift in sound for the band, yes they wrote pop-styles tunes before, but not every song on the album...until 5150 (ok 7 of the 9 are).

    Eddie’s guitar tone is off and not in a pleasing way, his solo’s on whole, are pretty middle of the road and dare I say it? Neal Schon-ish.

    The lyrics, not nearly as witty, and Sam, a great singer, not the most charismatic guy on the planet (DLR’s personality shines through, even on a studio recording)

    That last song on the album?!? “What kind of crap is this,” indeed.

    It was like a candy labeled Baby Ruth, expecting that familiar combo of chocolate, Carmel, peanuts and nougat but instead finding a Candybar shaped Sweet-tart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombattt View Post
    5150 represents such a drastic shift in sound for the band, yes they wrote pop-styles tunes before, but not every song on the album...until 5150 (ok 7 of the 9 are).

    Eddie’s guitar tone is off and not in a pleasing way, his solo’s on whole, are pretty middle of the road and dare I say it? Neal Schon-ish.

    The lyrics, not nearly as witty, and Sam, a great singer, not the most charismatic guy on the planet (DLR’s personality shines through, even on a studio recording)

    That last song on the album?!? “What kind of crap is this,” indeed.

    It was like a candy labeled Baby Ruth, expecting that familiar combo of chocolate, Carmel, peanuts and nougat but instead finding a Candybar shaped Sweet-tart.
    1) Agreed.

    2) Sort of agreed. Eddie's tone is different--I can see where one might say it's "off." I don't think it's "on," it's just a bit different. Solos are "Schon-ish?"...well maybe a couple are, but not enough to make the comparison, IMO.

    3) 100% agree.

    4) Another "Inside" basher. Clearly, I'm in the minority on this. I still like it. Dare I say, "Inside" is the most "VH-sounding" song on the album. LOL It's a party.

    5) For me, 5150, hell most of the Van Hagar catalog, hasn't aged well. The 6-pack is timeless. It really wasn't until the Hagar albums where I started skipping songs, I believe FUCK was the first album where I subconsciously felt like I was 'forcing' myself to like songs just because it was VH. Don't get me wrong I still love many of those songs, and I will spin those albums from time to time, but they're definitely not getting listened to as much as the Roth-era.

 

 

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