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    I don't know why Canada doesn't. Maybe close proximity to the US Border? Closeness of ties? Just know that my colleagues in Europe every day make fun of us for everything COVID. They are definitely not pro-Trumpers and yet I hear about why do we claim we follow science.
    Pretty sure Mike was asking you why thereís a gap. Not why we in Canada donít do anti-body tests.



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    So many people do not use their noggin' with this. Including those who don't want to get the vaccine. However its so easy to look at them as the people on Facebook. They are not. I have met many people who present reasonable and logical arguments aobut not getting it. For example antibodies. Yeah its only me who cares but its a pretty significant event with preventing viruses from transmitting into humans. Its been in our evolutionary code for millions of years. However for science we simply just throw it away because of politics.
    Can you explain how antibodies is a logical explanation for not wanting to get the vaccine?

    Iím missing how thatís a logical reason to not get it, for somebody who would otherwise not be opposed to getting the vaccine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    I don't know why Canada doesn't. Maybe close proximity to the US Border? Closeness of ties? Just know that my colleagues in Europe every day make fun of us for everything COVID. They are definitely not pro-Trumpers and yet I hear about why do we claim we follow science.

    Just think that everybody is guilty (including me) about black and white issues. Yes I am hung up on antibodies because we are told non-stop here "follow the science" Yet we don't while many other countries not plagued by political infighting do./ Sorry its a craw in my neck. I mean its not even being discussed here .

    So many people do not use their noggin' with this. Including those who don't want to get the vaccine. However its so easy to look at them as the people on Facebook. They are not. I have met many people who present reasonable and logical arguments aobut not getting it. For example antibodies. Yeah its only me who cares but its a pretty significant event with preventing viruses from transmitting into humans. Its been in our evolutionary code for millions of years. However for science we simply just throw it away because of politics.

    I just shake my head at the inconsistantcies with what people are told to do and what happens in real life. I guess I wll bow out and you guys can have the echo chamber back.
    The reason we don't, i imagine, is to save limited resources. Do we really want to spend the money and time needed to run millions of tests when instead people can just get vaccinated? I'm guessing that giving that option will just reduce vaccination rates even more. Hard enough to roll out a vax passport system, never mind creating a secondary system of people with natural antibodies.

    But my question was why is there still a gap in vax rates (a large one) when neither country uses antibody testing as a vaccine equivalent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    I don't think it's missteps of government. I think there's just a healthy percentage of American society are just programmed to say no to anything government is in favour of. The mistrust is so much stronger than most nations. And then I think the "moron who think they're brilliant" population might be a little higher than most places.

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    Masks don't work. Oops, we lied, they do. 70% for herd immunity. Oops, we lied. Distance, mask, don't be with people outside your household. Then all of those people, including Fauci, were photographed flouting those rules. We won't have a vaccine until 2022. Wait, we have one in 2020. Get vaccinated, but you can still get it and spread it. Also, even if you are vaccinated you should mask up, distance, and not be around people. How did we do this so quickly? Shut up; it's safe and effective. But you can still get it? Yes. You can still spread it? Yes. Can I take my mask off? No. Can I see people outside my household? No. But it's safe and effective? Yes.

    That's not even all the mixed messaging or bad job by leaders, which included scientists saying anti-lockdown protests were bad, anti-police protests were okay.

    Sure, many weren't gonna get it anyway. But hesitant, open-minded people, the experts lost a lot of people by shooting their credibility in the foot.

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    What some people call lies, I call changing "best information available" as we learn more about the disease and what works and doesn't work fighting it.
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    I think saying they lied is too strong. Did they lie about 70%? No, they were making a projection based on the information they had (and by the way you're not at 70% yet so who knows if they right). I think the issue is how combative the relationship is thanks to the press. Fauci was turned into a politician. Our top DRs weren't. Your President basically went to war with your top doc on the file, ours didn't. You had the VP candidate say she wouldn't trust a vaccine if the current president said it was safe. Our opposition politicians didn't. You do enough of this divisive shit and you shouldn't be surprised when people don't listen to experts. Because you got lemmings who think they are the experts. No, they're morons for the most part. But they got an opinion.

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    I just want to be clear: I have defended Fauci by saying this isnít his job but the last guy was so bad he had to get on TV

    Fauci and Surgeon General Adams both later said that they told people masks didnít prevent spread and/or werenít necessary early on to save masks for health care workers. Fauci told 60 minutes he thought it would cause mass panic and greater shortages for health care had he said masks work. SG Adams later said the same thing.

    Fauci initially said herd immunity was based upon emerging studies. He later admitted, ďWhen polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent. Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, ĎI can nudge this up a bit,í so I went to 80, 85.Ē He said he felt better to go with a low number with so much hesitancy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    What some people call lies, I call changing "best information available" as we learn more about the disease and what works and doesn't work fighting it.
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    My wife and I got our (3rd) booster shots yesterday - Moderna. Really easy to set up a Monday appointment at a local pharmacy during the past weekend and they ask whether you want a Moderna or Phizer shot. Today, the only thing we both can complain about is an achy arm. No fatigue or any other issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.B. View Post
    My wife and I got our (3rd) booster shots yesterday - Moderna.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T.B. View Post
    My wife and I got our (3rd) booster shots yesterday - Moderna. Really easy to set up a Monday appointment at a local pharmacy during the past weekend and they ask whether you want a Moderna or Phizer shot. Today, the only thing we both can complain about is an achy arm. No fatigue or any other issues.
    Welcome to the club and thanks for doing the right thing.

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    Joe Rogan talking about Ivermectin. He claims it was prescribed to many members of Congress. Yet the MSM, or "Corporate Press" as he like to refer to them, went against Ivermectin. Why? It's patents have expired....

    https://twitter.com/unhealthytruth/s...464749065?s=20
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    Another case of people being incurious at best. Why do people think Ivermectin works? Because before testing in other ways, they test in cell cultures. And if it isn't successful that way, they move on. If it is, you can move on to other tests. But the human body is way more complex than a single cell. So even if it works in vitro, that doesn't mean it will work in actual people. And that is what happened with both Ivermectin and Hydroxycloroquine.

    Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine seemed hopeful, then, in observational studies, but there is a reason we don't use those for the final say. They are easily influenced by bias. One of the biggest studies on Ivermectin that spearheaded the meta-analysis of a series of observational studies has been withdrawn for being fraudulent. Actual studies with placebo groups are ongoing, but preliminary data from those shows no statistically significant difference in outcomes.

    But it became political and now it's not about what the data actually says, but about Vomit Bucket vs. Shit Bucket and which bucket you get behind.

    It's simply not effective when other stuff Joe Rogan took has been shown to be effective. If you switch your kid to whole milk and they do better on their next math test, it wasn't the milk, sorry to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rover View Post
    Joe Rogan talking about Ivermectin. He claims it was prescribed to many members of Congress. Yet the MSM, or "Corporate Press" as he like to refer to them, went against Ivermectin. Why? It's patents have expired....

    https://twitter.com/unhealthytruth/s...464749065?s=20
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rover View Post
    Joe Rogan talking about Ivermectin. He claims it was prescribed to many members of Congress. Yet the MSM, or "Corporate Press" as he like to refer to them, went against Ivermectin. Why? It's patents have expired....

    https://twitter.com/unhealthytruth/s...464749065?s=20
    That drug is a DEWORMER. COVID is not a parasitic animal. If you honestly think that it works? Go nuts. Take a dose for me. But do not post that shit here.


    May as well get a round of panacea in syringes for everyone too.


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