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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    The CDC and FDA should be burned to the ground and start over. I believe I pointed out in this thread that the 5-11 request has been made by Pfizer. The FDA wonít meet till 10/26, and then a decision that should only be days may take weeks. Kids may not die in huge numbers, but they do die, and I think we should track all that do in the time they drag their feet and those deaths are on the FDA.

    Trump was awful for not wearing a mask. Biden was awful for wearing masks after vaccination when he didnít need to. Thereís lots of bad in a lot of places.

    But there is also lots of knowledge. We donít need to agree on the FDA and CDC to see that we have lots and lots of data and experience with vaccines to know certain things as essentially fact. In fact, the biggest problem with the two entities is being too cautious.

    I am sorry I made it personal towards you, but Iíve spent a lot of time talking to people about this because I think itís important and no one ever seems to mention more than ďmy body,Ē ďthe death rate,Ē and ďlongterm safety.Ē Thereís never any mention of passing the disease to someone who could die or doing oneís part for herd immunity to protect the vulnerable like cancer patients and organ recipients.

    Yes, itís your decision. But I wish part of oneís personal equation went beyond their own noses.

    What I mean by nuance and not black and white and looking at things and putting trust in people who are experts in particular fields who seem to really try not to be biased: Youíd find we know 6 feet is bullshit and not scientific. That this doesnít touch transfer. We donít need to mask kids under 7. But also that these vaccines are safe an effective and the main issue with wavering effectiveness is figuring out dosages and boosters and time frames in real time in a pandemic.

    If you take anything from this, take that there are consequences to not reaching herd immunity as quickly as possible that go beyond old, fat people dying. Like a whole generation of special needs kids who, with therapy before 3, could have wonderful outcomes, but not if those therapies are virtual. That special needs kids may be more likely to die. That people with small families very much want their parents to get every moment with their grandkids. Maybe there is something to what Iím saying about vaccines leaving your body in days to a week and not causing longterm problems like medication you take daily for a decade, something that makes some sense if you think about it.

    Be well and know I thank you for you sincerity and also for wishing me well.


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    I say this with all the love in the world bro, but I have no idea how you donít get tired of talking about this. Are you using dictating software when you wrote these?


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    Quote Originally Posted by fudd View Post
    I say this with all the love in the world bro, but I have no idea how you donít get tired of talking about this. Are you using dictating software when you wrote these?


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    LM must be the fastest typer in America cos his posts are never pithy.

    Just saying. Is it done on a laptop, tablet or phone? If phone, he's a God.

    The guy must LOVE debating not just COVID but politics.

    I bet LM sits back and looks at his posts with satisfaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    I think on the whole, this country would be best served if we just agreed that vaccines work. Ditch the mask mandates, 6 feet, kids, etc. Be open that maybe everything that was said about the virus was reactionary or even politicized on both fronts. They were best guesses in error. Have Fauci get a bit of a bitch slap because while he is worshipped here, the guy is a slime ball. Sorry calling balls and strikes. He is dirty.

    You look around the world and they are doing things differently then us and most of them don't have the incredible divide that we have. I know we have learned some things over 18 months but in reality, not that much. What did we know in March 2020?

    If you were old, fat, unhealthy or had a immune disorder you likely don't want to be 10 feet of COVID. 18 months later this holds true. Just be truthful that despite our efforts that Mother Nature will win out. We were told flatten the curve and then we had this illogical belief that once a vaccine was created it was gone. That was never a certainty. Still holds true. Some vaccines will not eliminate a virus. Like the Spanish Flu. Just so much misinformation from both sides and the lines were drawn. We need to remove said lines and come to an acceptance this will be around. Like other countries are doing. Including the well respected Nordic countries. Heck Vermont has 90% vaccination rate and today, their cases are going up.

    I just don't see why this viewpoint is considered illogical. We have the flu from 1918. We really thought that once a vaccine was put out, COVID would go off with a whimper? Maybe it could have but we never were guaranteed that. People say "Follow the scicence" Science will tell you viri usually win out.

    Anyway I do feel sorry for everybody affected by this but then again we are more concerned who isn't wearing a mask, getting a shot, kids, etc instead of maybe trying to really find out how this was put out there from an unbiased committee. Nope. Just trust the WHO and China and who knows, they could be right. Yet nobody really cares. Just divide and conquer.

    the issue is with ditching the mask mandates while a pretty good portion of the population can't get vaccinated. Once they can, then agreed. The only move is "you've had months to get vaccinated, if you don't and then you get sick this is on you."

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post

    I bet LM sits back and looks at his posts with satisfaction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
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    My test came back negative.

    Thank you vaccine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    My test came back negative.

    Thank you vaccine.
    Good to hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    I think on the whole, this country would be best served if we just agreed that vaccines work. Ditch the mask mandates, 6 feet, kids, etc. Be open that maybe everything that was said about the virus was reactionary or even politicized on both fronts. They were best guesses in error. Have Fauci get a bit of a bitch slap because while he is worshipped here, the guy is a slime ball. Sorry calling balls and strikes. He is dirty.

    You look around the world and they are doing things differently then us and most of them don't have the incredible divide that we have. I know we have learned some things over 18 months but in reality, not that much. What did we know in March 2020?

    If you were old, fat, unhealthy or had a immune disorder you likely don't want to be 10 feet of COVID. 18 months later this holds true. Just be truthful that despite our efforts that Mother Nature will win out. We were told flatten the curve and then we had this illogical belief that once a vaccine was created it was gone. That was never a certainty. Still holds true. Some vaccines will not eliminate a virus. Like the Spanish Flu. Just so much misinformation from both sides and the lines were drawn. We need to remove said lines and come to an acceptance this will be around. Like other countries are doing. Including the well respected Nordic countries. Heck Vermont has 90% vaccination rate and today, their cases are going up.

    I just don't see why this viewpoint is considered illogical. We have the flu from 1918. We really thought that once a vaccine was put out, COVID would go off with a whimper? Maybe it could have but we never were guaranteed that. People say "Follow the scicence" Science will tell you viri usually win out.

    Anyway I do feel sorry for everybody affected by this but then again we are more concerned who isn't wearing a mask, getting a shot, kids, etc instead of maybe trying to really find out how this was put out there from an unbiased committee. Nope. Just trust the WHO and China and who knows, they could be right. Yet nobody really cares. Just divide and conquer.
    The faster you get to endemic status, the better the wall around the most vulnerable. The hope was quick vaccination, quick stomp out, but variants changed that.

    Faster we get to the point where everyone has some immunity, the faster this becomes more like a bad cold and hopefully death rate falls to flu like levels.

    When people focus on just death rates, though, they arenít realizing the full breadth of this pandemic. Ending it also helps a lot of other things, too. And thatís where a lot of the hesitancy Iíve encountered is frustrating because they are using narrow metrics or metrics that donít matter.

    I think about 8 weeks or so after itís been available to 5-11 year olds, pretty much everything else has to go away as far as restrictions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    My test came back negative.

    Thank you vaccine.
    Herpes?


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    Quote Originally Posted by fudd View Post
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    There's no vaccine for the genital herpes but I am clean for that per my last STD test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    There's no vaccine for the genital herpes but I am clean for that per my last STD test.
    I hear one's cuming.
    10-6-2020 RIP King of sixstrings.

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    Colin Powell dead at 84 from covid.
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