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    Joe is at his best when he’s talking about conspiracies, space, UFO’s, and some social issues. I actually agree with him most of the time, but he’s no Ben Shapiro. I don’t agree with everything Ben says, but there isn’t much doubt that he is very intelligent in the way he educates himself and formulates his arguments/opinions, at all times.

    Joe, more often than not, just comes off like a stoner-jock and failed comedian who kind of tripped his way into a career as a rich podcaster.

    As I’ve said before, he’s the guy whose dumb friends think is really smart when he brings up social issues or political topics, because they simply can’t. Eddie Bravo, Brendan Schaub, Bryan Callen, Joey Diaz, Ari Shaffir, and Bert Kreischer. I love Bert but If you’ve watched any of these guys talk about anything remotely serious you’ll get what I mean.

    Oh yeah, and Alex Jones is one of his best friends. Who Joe has described as being a “great guy”.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy812 View Post
    Unfortunately, there are a LOT of people like that with access to microphones and a big audience.

    Last I saw, Florida was about 44th in Covid positivity rate (8%) in the US. They're more than double the national rate (3.5%). But they're open and that's all that counts.
    Florida is at about 5%
    https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health...st-since-march

    So lowest since March with an open economy. So net increase of lets say 1.5% positive cases. What is the net benefit of opening vs 1.5% increase? Yes more people will die but how many per day? 1 maybe 2? Compare that to the net benefit of people being able to gain mental benefits well maybe its ok? Consider other states with more restrictions that have worse numbers and some better. What is the Return of Investment? I mean if they were at 20% positivity I can see the point but it sure looks like that the states that are open are on a whole doing just as well as those like Ohio which still has mask mandates. They also have one of the oldest populations in the country.

    https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health...st-since-march

    https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/dai...s-stay-below-5

    From a high level, appears that Florida is in line with most states and definitely doing better than the Michigan and Minnesota
    https://covidactnow.org/?s=1814732

    another one which shows them having less than 10 new cases per 100k. In line with NY, Ohio, PA, and Illinois. Not as good as California but also not as good as Texas which as we remember are full of Neanderthals.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/map

    Since many states that have restrictions are doing the same or worse than Florida, well I am not sure its a slam dunk being critical of their decisions. All I know is that Texas and Florida have been the punching bag and the experts have been a bit wrong. Cuomo got a book and praise while the governor of Florida was made fun of.

    Concerning Joe Rogan, I read something yesterday (to paraphrase) that he is like that 28 year old brother of your friend. Sits in his room, smokes a ton of weed and tells you about life while viewing his posters in blacklight. I like the guy and does think he can offer some practical information but he does have a cult following

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    Florida is at about 5%
    https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health...st-since-march

    So lowest since March with an open economy. So net increase of lets say 1.5% positive cases. What is the net benefit of opening vs 1.5% increase? Yes more people will die but how many per day? 1 maybe 2? Compare that to the net benefit of people being able to gain mental benefits well maybe its ok? Consider other states with more restrictions that have worse numbers and some better. What is the Return of Investment? I mean if they were at 20% positivity I can see the point but it sure looks like that the states that are open are on a whole doing just as well as those like Ohio which still has mask mandates. They also have one of the oldest populations in the country.

    https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health...st-since-march

    https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/dai...s-stay-below-5

    From a high level, appears that Florida is in line with most states and definitely doing better than the Michigan and Minnesota
    https://covidactnow.org/?s=1814732

    another one which shows them having less than 10 new cases per 100k. In line with NY, Ohio, PA, and Illinois. Not as good as California but also not as good as Texas which as we remember are full of Neanderthals.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/map

    Since many states that have restrictions are doing the same or worse than Florida, well I am not sure its a slam dunk being critical of their decisions. All I know is that Texas and Florida have been the punching bag and the experts have been a bit wrong. Cuomo got a book and praise while the governor of Florida was made fun of.

    Concerning Joe Rogan, I read something yesterday (to paraphrase) that he is like that 28 year old brother of your friend. Sits in his room, smokes a ton of weed and tells you about life while viewing his posters in blacklight. I like the guy and does think he can offer some practical information but he does have a cult following
    I was referring to a 7-day average of 8% for Florida. Source was Johns Hopkins.
    The daily % at 5 will probably be back up tomorrow for it to average out. It is slowly trending down, so that's good.

    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/...states/florida

    The reason why DeSantis was made fun of is because he was downplaying the virus when his state was surging, during the winter months. Fortunately, he was able to weather all that. Personally, I think there was a more common sense approach--somewhere between DeSantis' and Newsom's methods. DeSantis approach to the virus was in step with Trump's. So, of course he was going to get shit on.

    We can be critical of both states' decisions. California appeared to be a little too restrictive, while Florida--with a slight uptick in deaths right now--seemed to be a little too free with those Spring Break images. But, what do I know? I don't live in either state. Speaking of that, I do believe that CT has done a good job with this pandemic. There was some hiccups last summer, but we eventually opened with capacity limits. It's been tough but manageable. We're scheduled to open wide on May 19th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy812 View Post
    I was referring to a 7-day average of 8% for Florida. Source was Johns Hopkins.
    The daily % at 5 will probably be back up tomorrow for it to average out. It is slowly trending down, so that's good.

    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/...states/florida

    The reason why DeSantis was made fun of is because he was downplaying the virus when his state was surging, during the winter months. Fortunately, he was able to weather all that. Personally, I think there was a more common sense approach--somewhere between DeSantis' and Newsom's methods. DeSantis approach to the virus was in step with Trump's. So, of course he was going to get shit on.

    We can be critical of both states' decisions. California appeared to be a little too restrictive, while Florida--with a slight uptick in deaths right now--seemed to be a little too free with those Spring Break images. But, what do I know? I don't live in either state. Speaking of that, I do believe that CT has done a good job with this pandemic. There was some hiccups last summer, but we eventually opened with capacity limits. It's been tough but manageable. We're scheduled to open wide on May 19th.

    I live in Fl about 8 months a year, I likes DeSantis. What he has done is allow choice and I can see no wrong in that. Businesses chose whether they wanted to close, open partly or fully. Most still are only partially open to allow for distancing. Some do allow full capacity. Once again this allows choice. You are not forced to shelter in place. It allows business to keep their doors open and owners not to lose their livelihood and in turn workers to keep their jobs and roofs over their heads.

    They shut down once and his decision was shutting down is more destructive than keeping things open.

    I have no problem with how Fl has handled this. And you must remember most of Fl economy is based in travel and tourism.

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    Went and finally got my 1st vaccine shot on Saturday (Pfizer). That same day our Governor announced that CT is among the first states to have over 70% of adults with at least one shot. (I wonder if mine was the one that put it over the top).

    Actually felt some achiness yesterday and some slight chills. Nothing too bad. Been less than 2 months since I had Covid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy812 View Post
    Went and finally got my 1st vaccine shot on Saturday (Pfizer). That same day our Governor announced that CT is among the first states to have over 70% of adults with at least one shot. (I wonder if mine was the one that put it over the top).

    Actually felt some achiness yesterday and some slight chills. Nothing too bad. Been less than 2 months since I had Covid.
    Good for you! I thought you had to wait 90 days (CDC) before receiving the vaccine if you tested positive? Any downside to receiving it sooner other than side effects?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAD-1972 View Post
    Good for you! I thought you had to wait 90 days (CDC) before receiving the vaccine if you tested positive? Any downside to receiving it sooner other than side effects?
    I initially thought the same thing about the 90 days. But that wait period was more for people who received the monoclonal treatment to combat the virus. When I went for my shot on Saturday, the lady asked me if I had Covid within the past 14 days. So, I guess that is the new waiting period. I'm sure I could have waited a few more months, as I should still have the antibodies, but I kind of just want to get this over with.

    I'll be curious about the side effects with the 2nd shot--I wasn't really expecting much with this first one. Looks like my Memorial Day weekend could end up sucking--scheduled for 2nd shot on the 29th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy812 View Post
    I initially thought the same thing about the 90 days. But that wait period was more for people who received the monoclonal treatment to combat the virus. When I went for my shot on Saturday, the lady asked me if I had Covid within the past 14 days. So, I guess that is the new waiting period. I'm sure I could have waited a few more months, as I should still have the antibodies, but I kind of just want to get this over with.

    I'll be curious about the side effects with the 2nd shot--I wasn't really expecting much with this first one. Looks like my Memorial Day weekend could end up sucking--scheduled for 2nd shot on the 29th.
    I don’t blame you… I’m actually looking forward to getting the second shot just to catchup with the rest of the family. They act like the pandemic is over. Ha-Ha!

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    I was sick for a day and a half after getting my 2nd shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAD-1972 View Post
    I don’t blame you… I’m actually looking forward to getting the second shot just to catchup with the rest of the family. They act like the pandemic is over. Ha-Ha!
    Same here. I'm the last of the adults in my family to get it. When do you get your 2nd shot?

    It'll be interesting to see how the kids fare with this. I know a lot of parents who received the vaccine but are either a firm 'no' on giving the vaccine to their kids (under 12 yrs old) or very skeptical. My wife is in the latter group--I'm just unsure, but leaning more towards 'yes.'

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    They seem to allegedly be finally talking about easing indoor mask requirements, especially for those vaccinated.

    The current guidelines, I get what they are trying to do, but we should know by now humans work best with incentives. You have to not only incentivize people, but be realistic about your guidelines.

    The CDC still says women shouldn't even have 1 full drink of alcohol in a day, so if we're going to 100% follow the science, women shouldn't have a margarita ever.

    We need the CDC to live in the real world.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy812 View Post
    I initially thought the same thing about the 90 days. But that wait period was more for people who received the monoclonal treatment to combat the virus. When I went for my shot on Saturday, the lady asked me if I had Covid within the past 14 days. So, I guess that is the new waiting period. I'm sure I could have waited a few more months, as I should still have the antibodies, but I kind of just want to get this over with.

    I'll be curious about the side effects with the 2nd shot--I wasn't really expecting much with this first one. Looks like my Memorial Day weekend could end up sucking--scheduled for 2nd shot on the 29th.
    They have seen a noticeable increase in immune response for those who have ha COVID who then got the vaccine. That's worth it for the variants alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    They seem to allegedly be finally talking about easing indoor mask requirements, especially for those vaccinated.

    The current guidelines, I get what they are trying to do, but we should know by now humans work best with incentives. You have to not only incentivize people, but be realistic about your guidelines.

    The CDC still says women shouldn't even have 1 full drink of alcohol in a day, so if we're going to 100% follow the science, women shouldn't have a margarita ever.

    We need the CDC to live in the real world.



    They have seen a noticeable increase in immune response for those who have ha COVID who then got the vaccine. That's worth it for the variants alone.
    This weekend was the first time since March 2020 that we've eaten indoors at a restaurant. It was a well ventilated place and they had it set up every other table so I guess 50% occupancy. It just seemed so nonsensical to wear a mask in an indoor establishment but it you're shoveling food in your piehole sitting at a table w/a group, no masks is ok.

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    I know I am in the minority and a Kook but after the hardline stance Biden and the CDC said about reopening and what would happen, well they need to simply let the governors and their teams decide what is best. Neanderthal thinking seems to be doing a bit better than Fauci. I understand that there are risks involved. There are risks getting on the interstate to drive to see my mom on Mothers Day. I get that Fauci is going to hedge his bet to the Nth degree. I also know human nature that one doesn't want to lose relevance too.

    Its time. Hey if you want you can wear your mask or 30 masks you can. I just think right now its difficult to say "well you better wear your mask" when there are states that are not doing this and are not fairing worse or better than others.

 

 

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