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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-vaccines.html

    I see Tucker just keeps at the bullshit. Now he's making the claim that, on average, 30 people a day are dying after getting the vaccine. He's getting his info from VAERS, but isn't reading the disclaimers, of course. Health professionals are saying he's misrepresenting the VAERS database, which point out that someone dying after receiving a vaccine is not the same as someone dying as a result of a vaccine.

    Health professionals emphasized that Carlson did not know the specifics of the reported deaths. The first people to be vaccinated were the elderly and most vulnerable, who were more likely to die whether they had the vaccine or not.

    Dr Dana Mazo, an assistant professor of medicine who specializes in infectious diseases at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York, told Reuters that it was important to distinguish between association and causation when looking at post-vaccine death records.


    I know to some people around here, Tuck's a hero. But in instances like this, he's a real douchebag. It's a shame he reaches so many people with his utter bullshit. Disgusting.

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    I don't like Tucker but lets call balls and strikes. We all know that the CDC and others count every death as COVID if a person dies and has COVID in their system. May have been an existing or debilitating disease and COVID likely contributed to it. May not. However if you die and have the COVID virus in your body, its counted as a COVID death. Our death tolls do not distinguish with a direct COVID death or indirect. Its all COVID

    So while I know the CDC says there has been 0 deaths attributed directly to the vaccine, the 3000 deaths did occur after somebody had the COVID vaccine. So why can't we do the same with pointing out the dangers? Be consistent.

    I know my co-worker has had two ER visits due to complications of J&J. Last week had to take several days off due to blood clots in his arms and legs. Was admitted. Staff there say a lot of people who have had the J&J have had stays due to blood clots. Not Moderna or Pfizer. Now did he die? No but he is healthy.

    I am not a vaccine conspiracist and have mine. Just saying there seems to be a lot of people who are younger having worse side effects than the older people who got it. Studies have shown that better immune systems are likely to react negatively to it so older people likely had less reaction than somebody who is 40.

    Not defending Tucker but just saying we are not holding vaccine deaths to the same standards that we attribute to COVID. Even if we did, 3000 is better than 500k

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    I don't like Tucker but lets call balls and strikes. We all know that the CDC and others count every death as COVID if a person dies and has COVID in their system. May have been an existing or debilitating disease and COVID likely contributed to it. May not. However if you die and have the COVID virus in your body, its counted as a COVID death. Our death tolls do not distinguish with a direct COVID death or indirect. Its all COVID

    So while I know the CDC says there has been 0 deaths attributed directly to the vaccine, the 3000 deaths did occur after somebody had the COVID vaccine. So why can't we do the same with pointing out the dangers? Be consistent.

    I know my co-worker has had two ER visits due to complications of J&J. Last week had to take several days off due to blood clots in his arms and legs. Was admitted. Staff there say a lot of people who have had the J&J have had stays due to blood clots. Not Moderna or Pfizer. Now did he die? No but he is healthy.

    I am not a vaccine conspiracist and have mine. Just saying there seems to be a lot of people who are younger having worse side effects than the older people who got it. Studies have shown that better immune systems are likely to react negatively to it so older people likely had less reaction than somebody who is 40.

    Not defending Tucker but just saying we are not holding vaccine deaths to the same standards that we attribute to COVID. Even if we did, 3000 is better than 500k
    Your inquiry is much better and from a much more reasonable place than the ones coming from Tucker. And you're not directly reaching millions of 'obedient' followers. ...at least as far as I know...

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    Maybe I missed something, but it seems like it went from "they're counting all deaths as COVID" to "we all know anyone who died with COVID is a COVID death," and I guess I missed the smoking gun? I'm not trying to a be a shit, I just didn't know this was case closed.

    I mean, George Floyd was positive for COVID-19, but that's not the cause of death they put on the death certificate. So is that just because of the high profile of the case? Because I talk to doctors who say they were not instructed to list COVID as the COD even if they believed it wasn't. So where can I find how we know this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    Maybe I missed something, but it seems like it went from "they're counting all deaths as COVID" to "we all know anyone who died with COVID is a COVID death," and I guess I missed the smoking gun? I'm not trying to a be a shit, I just didn't know this was case closed.

    I mean, George Floyd was positive for COVID-19, but that's not the cause of death they put on the death certificate. So is that just because of the high profile of the case? Because I talk to doctors who say they were not instructed to list COVID as the COD even if they believed it wasn't. So where can I find how we know this?
    I didn't elaborate fully. If you have a debilitating disease such as cancer, heart issues, diabletes, AIDS, etc or have an ailment that is bothering you and you have COVID, it will be very likely counted as COVID. They will say COVID basically pushed you over the edge from being alive to being planted. Doesn't mean I am actually sick from COVID or having very mild effects. If I suffer a Fred Sanford heart attack, I will be dead of COVID>

    Obviously George Floyd or if I die in an accident won't be counted.

    I mean maybe it did kill the person. Maybe they would have died anyway. I was just making a point that we are counting deaths related to COVID. Not directly caused by it. Therefore if 3000 people died soon after taking the vaccine, and we are simply saying its not directly affected, well that's not right either. If it could have had a influence on the persons death but not the main contributer, well count it like COVID

    That's all I am saying. Otherwise our death tolls are lower than 500k. Again 3000 or 4000 is better than 500k Just saying if you think the vaccine is perfectly safe and nobody possibly has died because the CDC says it didn't directly cause death, well a lot of COVID deaths need to be reevaluated

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    I'll put $ down that he's had the jab. What he says to keep viewers tuned in is likely very different than what he does in his personal time. He's an actor. But hey, if I'm wrong, and he has not had the jab, then lets let Darwinism run it's course. Problem solved.
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    I friend of mine who’s father died from complications from COVID told me that the government was reimbursing up to 9k for funeral expenses. Of course families had to meet eligibility qualifications but that’s crazy! A $255 social security death benefit vs. a 9k funeral expense reimbursement are worlds apart. COVID had to be listed as the cause of death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    I didn't elaborate fully. If you have a debilitating disease such as cancer, heart issues, diabletes, AIDS, etc or have an ailment that is bothering you and you have COVID, it will be very likely counted as COVID. They will say COVID basically pushed you over the edge from being alive to being planted. Doesn't mean I am actually sick from COVID or having very mild effects. If I suffer a Fred Sanford heart attack, I will be dead of COVID>

    Obviously George Floyd or if I die in an accident won't be counted.

    I mean maybe it did kill the person. Maybe they would have died anyway. I was just making a point that we are counting deaths related to COVID. Not directly caused by it. Therefore if 3000 people died soon after taking the vaccine, and we are simply saying its not directly affected, well that's not right either. If it could have had a influence on the persons death but not the main contributer, well count it like COVID

    That's all I am saying. Otherwise our death tolls are lower than 500k. Again 3000 or 4000 is better than 500k Just saying if you think the vaccine is perfectly safe and nobody possibly has died because the CDC says it didn't directly cause death, well a lot of COVID deaths need to be reevaluated
    I get what you're saying. My point was simply that Tucker is basically claiming that the vaccines are causing these deaths--30 per day. He's potentially discouraging millions, which is not the information that we need out there.

    Regarding the Covid deaths, we know that people who died with Covid were counted. I agree with your points on this. But I thought I read somewhere that they've since categorized 'dying from Covid' and 'dying with Covid.' IDK, thought I heard that somewhere.

    But the vaccine issue is separate. The CDC said regarding this: "CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports.
    A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths."


    Take it for what you want. Tucker could have at least mentioned that part on his show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    I didn't elaborate fully. If you have a debilitating disease such as cancer, heart issues, diabletes, AIDS, etc or have an ailment that is bothering you and you have COVID, it will be very likely counted as COVID. They will say COVID basically pushed you over the edge from being alive to being planted. Doesn't mean I am actually sick from COVID or having very mild effects. If I suffer a Fred Sanford heart attack, I will be dead of COVID>

    Obviously George Floyd or if I die in an accident won't be counted.

    I mean maybe it did kill the person. Maybe they would have died anyway. I was just making a point that we are counting deaths related to COVID. Not directly caused by it. Therefore if 3000 people died soon after taking the vaccine, and we are simply saying its not directly affected, well that's not right either. If it could have had a influence on the persons death but not the main contributer, well count it like COVID

    That's all I am saying. Otherwise our death tolls are lower than 500k. Again 3000 or 4000 is better than 500k Just saying if you think the vaccine is perfectly safe and nobody possibly has died because the CDC says it didn't directly cause death, well a lot of COVID deaths need to be reevaluated
    Gotcha.

    This is something I specifically asked a family member doctor about, and I used Scott Weiland as an example. His COD was multi-drug intoxication, with secondary causes of hypertension, heart disease, and asthma. So how do you explain it? She said the other things are chronic conditions someone could live decades longer with. But that particular night, the drugs and alcohol killed him. Sure, without the others, maybe he survives, but maybe not.

    So while I imagine there are scenarios where what you say is true, I would imagine a good doctor is taking that into consideration in most cases. More likely are probably scenarios where a person would have survived COVID with treatment, but the hospitals were overwhelmed, and they had other conditions.

    The thing about those 4100 deaths versus 245 million shots is that is fewer deaths than you'd expect in that population. nearly 8,000 people die per day in the US.

    Could the vaccine have caused a death? I suppose so. But if it happened weeks later and we do not have excess deaths in the population, the number would be so small as to not be worth even talking about.

    Again, of course, just IMO and I am often wrong.

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    Question. Where is the money in these vaccines for the pharmaceutical companies.

    If they're free for everybody, is our government paying for them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    Question. Where is the money in these vaccines for the pharmaceutical companies.

    If they're free for everybody, is our government paying for them?
    Yes, they are

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    Question. Where is the money in these vaccines for the pharmaceutical companies.

    If they're free for everybody, is our government paying for them?



    Astonishing the money gushing forth. Was astonishing for years in the US prior to the pandemic. These past 15 months or so though, and it's all essentially just debt too, including trillions upon trillions of dollars for porked out so-called "relief" bills, etc, etc..

    Fucking insanity. Our nation's children and grand children are absolutely and irreparably buried. They already were prior to this covid multi-trillion dollar spending spree. Very sad what we've done in recent decades, and my how we've even exponentially upped our game of late.

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