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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    I wonder if it would be covered different if he was still in charge? Hmmm

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    We know it would.

    America wanted a poodle to watch the yard instead of a pit bull. And, here we are ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    We know it would.

    America wanted a poodle to watch the yard instead of a pit bull. And, here we are ...
    I prefer the pitbull approach of watching the yard.

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    Kinda seems like, regardless of the dog, COVID has done its thing and the problems are more institutional.


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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    1,929 deaths yesterday in America due to Covid. CNNs website headlines about wages going up and gas prices going down. Damn, journalism in America is dead.

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    Oh you didn't hear the good part?
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...c8K?li=BBnb7Kz

    I don't know about anybody else but when the media of any country is summoned to the leader and are asked to present news in a different fashion, well that kind of concerns me. Yes I know FOX News likely did Trumps bidding but this isn't simply just one news network. When you think of that Wahshington Post story about Biden having more negative stories than Trump (Nate Silver has already disputed that claim) well its a bit alarming

    State run media is a scary thing

    That said I don't blame Biden for any surge or uptick in deaths. We are powerless against this virus. The only resource we have is that the vaccine likely results in a less serious case of COVID. Studies now are coming out that vaccinated spread it just as much as unvaxxed. Masks as you guys have heard from me 100 times, don't always work. They are as effective as a weather forecast. Anyway we have to move on and Biden pretty much has let the governors decide what to do. Open economy is going to give us an increase compared to last year when we didn't have a vaccine.

    I will blame Sleepy Joe for a lot of things but really can't complain about how he has handled it. From a death or case rate perspective.

    That said, if Trump was here, it definitely would be a different story. Just remember last year at this time the Cuomos were heros. Shit DeSantis was public enemy number 1 a few months ago. Don't hear about him anymore cause their rate is about the lowest in the country. Why report that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    We know it would.

    America wanted a poodle to watch the yard instead of a pit bull. And, here we are ...
    Who was the pit bull? I am sure you weren't talking about Old Bone Spurs are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Who was the pit bull? I am sure you weren't talking about Old Bone Spurs are you?
    I'm no Trump fan, but I do believe many other country's leaders had a probably valid perception he was a unpredictable loose cannon and didn't fuck around with us and our allies like what we're seeing especially Russia do right now. Another example is North Korea easing up on the missile and nuke tests and Iran in the wake of droning their senior military leader in Bagdad which also led to them mistakenly shooting a passenger plane outta the sky days later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.B. View Post
    I'm no Trump fan, but I do believe many other country's leaders had a probably valid perception he was a unpredictable loose cannon and didn't fuck around with us and our allies like what we're seeing especially Russia do right now. Another example is North Korea easing up on the missile and nuke tests and Iran in the wake of droning their senior military leader in Bagdad which also led to them mistakenly shooting a passenger plane outta the sky days later.
    Unpredictable loose canon is a fair description.

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    While I agree to some degree, that loose cannons can work in the short term.

    Having a strong leader other countries won’t fuck with is one thing.

    Having a fucking crazy and unpredictable leader other countries won’t fuck with is another.

    I’m not gonna fuck with the crazy street person windmilling his dick around while singing There’s No Business Like Show Business.


    Doesn’t mean he’s Eisenhower.


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    Other countries thought of him as a clown., nobody took me him serious
    Dealing with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rchop84 View Post
    Other countries thought of him as a clown., nobody took me him serious
    His position demanded that we did just that.

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    Not sure where this idea is NK eased up on missile tests under Trump. They did a whole bunch under Obama, a whole bunch under Trump, and they’ve continued that into this administration.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._missile_tests


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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    Not sure where this idea is NK eased up on missile tests under Trump. They did a whole bunch under Obama, a whole bunch under Trump, and they’ve continued that into this administration.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._missile_tests


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    No NK missile tests for nearly 1 1/2 years around 2018, the longest span of no missile tests since the 2013 Korea crisis. Also, no further nuke tests since the single one during Trump's 1st year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.B. View Post
    No NK missile tests for nearly 1 1/2 years around 2018, the longest span of no missile tests since the 2013 Korea crisis. Also, no further nuke tests since the single one during Trump's 1st year.
    Nothing as far as I can tell in 2010 and 2011, either. It looks haphazard to me.

    This seems to me like a narrative created to make Trump’s different approach to NK yielded benefits, but it really seems to have not mattered. And I was in favor of a new approach, though it seems to have not mattered.


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    The vast majority of the time you are not going to change the mind of a dictator. About the only one who did try to come clean was Ghaddafi. He got really scared after seeing what happened to Saddam and gave up his program. Wanted to be in power more than looking at WMD. However had dirt on Bill and Epstein so Hillary took care of him. Just joking. That said, you don't typically push around a dictator unless you use force of some kind. They don't care about sanctions because they are not affected by them

    Anyway I am not so sure that Trump's policies didn't matter. I can remember at the end of Obama's watch, ISIS had about 3/4'ers of Iraq. They were ini Syria. They were heere shooting up places. In about 2 years ISIS was gone. I do recall one we assassinated that General from Iran, things changed. My brother works with special forces and said there was a change with attempts against Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan once that happened. I didn't see Russia taking over Georgia or mounting troops on Ukraine either. Had troops on border under Obama and now. Not under Trump. If there was collusion with Putin, that was when he would go in.

    Not saying the guy was all that and a bag of chips but some things did work for whatever reason. Yes him being a wild card matters. You think any leader today looks at Biden and doesn't know what he will do? Heck John Kerry is around whispering in his ear and that guy has been failing America for decades. Reagan was viewed the same way. He was a wild card when he got in and sometimes you need that. You don't mess with a guy that will bite your ear off in a street fight

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    We were safer with Trump. That's not even disputable. I'm sure never Ttumpers with deny with the data and polls though.

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