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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    Unfortunately, there's a lot of stubborn Americans that aren't gonna get vaccinated. I was one of them but I started to get a little scared. COVID is a different beast than the flu. I never get flu shots. I've always been comfortable with my immune system and if I did get the flu that just means fuck work. I got lots of paid time off.

    I don't think we're going to reach the percentage number that we would like to see. Gotta start ditching these masks at some point.
    This is my fear - that you wouldn't get to anywhere near 70% of adults and the government just says "fuck it, let's see what happens". Up here I know they really want to get to 70% (or at least close enough to it) hence 2 more weeks of modified lockdown in my province. I think that'll end on June 2nd, but at the rate we're getting vaccinated it looks like that'll mean 60+ % of people would have already gotten shot one. And it'll be a transitional opening which means 70% of adults will be in play before we're close to completely open.

    I was really hoping that kids wouldn't need to get vaccinated (or at least not for a long time). Now they're talking 12 and up to get the shot and if enough adults don't get off their asses it's gonna be everyone soon I imagine in the States at least. I know my 13-year-old ain't getting vaccinated anytime soon. I'm 47, I'll take my chances on the vaccine. I'm not making that bet for my kids right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    Not trying to argue Mike but how much longer? It's pretty much now or never. Is a few more months gonna make this big difference? At some point you have to test the waters.
    to your main point (that I completely overlooked, sorry about that). I don't think waiting another month helps all that much in the states as the rate of new people getting vaccinated is really low right now. Waiting two more weeks means you got from 46% to 48% at the current pace. If it meant you'd go 46 to 55 or 60, i'd say you should wait. But if that few people are getting their first shot, then I can't blame leaders saying "fuck it, what's the point?"

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    Well I think we will know in a matter of months if the vaccines are worth a shit. If the virus mutates to something far more deadly and makes vaccines worthless well we will have something bigger on our hands. If COVID becomes far deadlier it will likely be survival of the fittest anyway. That said the numbers we are looking at with the vaccine are simply with the vaccine You are not counting the millions of not tens of millions of people who didn't take a vaccine but now have antibodies. Take a guy like Ted Nugent. My sister or my nephew. Since minorities are faring worse with getting the vaccine, they likely have contacted COVID and simply have the antibodies.

    To my knowledge, that should help with herd immunity.

    Think about it this way. A very large segment trusts everything the CDC has said. Fauci is beyond reproach. So if they are saying its ok, and you trusted them implicitly for 12 months, they you have to trust them the remainder of the way. Trust the science. They would not bend to politics with Trump and they surely won't with Biden. Trust them

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    The problem isnít that the current guidance is bad, itís that thereís no practical way for people to police who is vaccinated and who isnít in their property. The current guidance, if we want to ďfollow the science,Ē is what it should have been for anyone two weeks post final shot. They knew once they rang this bell, it would be impossible to have any sort of effective mandates.

    Outside of people who are just totally anti-vaccine, the only way you were going to get the most people off the fence from a messaging perspective is to tell them their lives will actually change getting the vaccine. Weíve all heard it. ďWhy get it if I still canít do anything or go maskless?Ē Now they have a reason.

    You could make an argument the advice was too liberal, too soon, but thatís only of people are listening to the guidance. The people who are are already careful and vaccinated.

    The CDC has been extremely cautious. A lot of the west do not require kids wear masks. They go with 1 meter distancing and not 6 feet. They had us masking outside (theme parks overseas didnít while theme parks here have been, same result, no outbreaks).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    This.

    The only issue is that I have to wear the damn thing 12 hrs a day at work as well.
    Chris I admit having to wear it at work like that would suck.

    But yeah I put it on in the parking lot when I go to a store and take it off when Iím walking to my car when no one is around. Itís not a bother to me.
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    Moderna is 2 shots. Side effects are bigger after 2nd shot, first one is almost nothing, just a sore arm for a day. Second one you'll be down for 24 hrs and then back to normal. At least that's the way it was for me.
    I wasnít down for 24 hours after the second shot. I woke up feeling shitty the next morning, took some Advil and was functional all day. I went out ran errands even took my daughter for her second shot. Itís just a matter of the person. It hit my daughter harder the next morning but it definitely wasnít anywhere near 24 hours. I would say she felt like shit probably half a day. Sheís only 16. And kids are only allowed to get Pfizer so she didnít have Moderna like me.
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    And the fact that some people are getting it after they got vaccinated just shows why you canít stop wearing a mask afterwards. If anything maybe people will wake up to that fact. Iíve had both and I have no intention of not wearing a mask in public no matter what the CDC says.

    And Iíll be honest I donít always believe everything random people ďsayĒ about them getting Covid a second or third time after being vaccinated. Sometimes people just say shit to feel important. I take a lot of it with a grain of salt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    Well I think we will know in a matter of months if the vaccines are worth a shit. If the virus mutates to something far more deadly and makes vaccines worthless well we will have something bigger on our hands. If COVID becomes far deadlier it will likely be survival of the fittest anyway. That said the numbers we are looking at with the vaccine are simply with the vaccine You are not counting the millions of not tens of millions of people who didn't take a vaccine but now have antibodies. Take a guy like Ted Nugent. My sister or my nephew. Since minorities are faring worse with getting the vaccine, they likely have contacted COVID and simply have the antibodies.

    To my knowledge, that should help with herd immunity.

    Think about it this way. A very large segment trusts everything the CDC has said. Fauci is beyond reproach. So if they are saying its ok, and you trusted them implicitly for 12 months, they you have to trust them the remainder of the way. Trust the science. They would not bend to politics with Trump and they surely won't with Biden. Trust them
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    This is what prompted me to get off my ass and make the appointment.

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    These two vaccines are more effective than even the MMR and Tdap vaccines. Theyíre insanely effective.

    Wearing a mask gives only a slight amount of protection, at best, to the wearer. If you were going to get it after getting vaccinated, the mask isnít stopping it. But the vaccine will keep you from severe illness.

    Itís the unvaxxed people who have to worry about unmasked people.


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    This is a great stat to see! I'm scheduled for my first pfizer vaccine later this month.
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    I'm really looking forward to this first shot. How ridiculous is that?

    All our Costcos and Walmarts are mask free now.

    It's gonna feel weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    I'm really looking forward to this first shot. How ridiculous is that?

    All our Costcos and Walmarts are mask free now.

    It's gonna feel weird.
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    This is a great stat to see! I'm scheduled for my first pfizer vaccine later this month.
    I just hope they keep to this pace for the next few weeks.

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