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    PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. (AP) - A Florida history teacher says she was fired for refusing to give half-credit to students who didn't turn in their assignments.

    Diane Tirado says her school along Florida's Treasure Coast had a "no zero" policy, requiring teachers to give students no less than a 50-percent grade on assignments.

    Tirado tells television station WPTV that she was fired in mid-September when she refused to follow the policy after several students didn't turn in a homework project.

    No specific cause was given in her termination letter from the principal at West Gate school, since Tirado was still on probation having been recently hired

    The principal deferred comment to the school district.

    A spokeswoman for St. Lucie Public Schools says there is no district policy prohibiting teachers from giving a grade of zero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocknblues81 View Post
    Teacher says she was fired for refusing to give credit



    http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/teac...-give-credit-1
    fucking ridiculous.

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    I don't believe this. I feel there is more to this story

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Hill View Post
    I don't believe this. I feel there is more to this story
    Sadly I'm guessing that might be most of the story.

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    Another story says she was in her probationary period. Also said sheíd taught for years before this school, so Iím guessing she lost her tenure by moving districts.

    I was able to find the school handbook and on the grading policy page, in all cops and red ink it says the lowest possible grade someone can get is a 50%.

    I suppose you could twist it and say that you could give a zero on an assignment but canít get worse than a 50 in a class, but that defeats the purpose of a ďno zerosĒ policy. My school has one, too. A missing assignment gets no lower a 50. Thatís the policy.


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    Not allowing a child to learn from failure while in school sets them up for absolute failure in real life. Unless, of course, the "democratic socialists" take over and then everything is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marksound View Post
    Not allowing a child to learn from failure while in school sets them up for absolute failure in real life. Unless, of course, the "democratic socialists" take over and then everything is awesome.

    Idiocracy, anyone?
    Thatís not how the policy works. You can still fail. 50 is failing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    Another story says she was in her probationary period. Also said she’d taught for years before this school, so I’m guessing she lost her tenure by moving districts.

    I was able to find the school handbook and on the grading policy page, in all cops and red ink it says the lowest possible grade someone can get is a 50%.

    I suppose you could twist it and say that you could give a zero on an assignment but can’t get worse than a 50 in a class, but that defeats the purpose of a “no zeros” policy. My school has one, too. A missing assignment gets no lower a 50. That’s the policy.


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    What is a passing grade in that school? Personally I think this is no zero policy is honestly fucking stupid and just a way to make kids feel like they didn't fuck up. But it's a scam and the kids know that. Also kind of tells kids to not bother trying unless they're really good students. Why waste your time trying when you're gonna get a 60 when you can do nothing and get a 50? No idea what the hell you guys are doing with education.

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    I think if a teacher agrees with the non-zero policy, they need to get a new career. It's absolutely wrong to give a "non-participation trophy" to a student that doesn't even try. That's nothing but supporting students to be spoiled fucking brats the rest of their life in the real world. What a disgrace of certain school districts.
    Teachers need to be aware of these policies before they apply, so they can apply according to their educational views.
    Again, non-- zero policy is 100% wrong!!!
    Just go for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    What is a passing grade in that school? Personally I think this is no zero policy is honestly fucking stupid and just a way to make kids feel like they didn't fuck up. But it's a scam and the kids know that. Also kind of tells kids to not bother trying unless they're really good students. Why waste your time trying when you're gonna get a 60 when you can do nothing and get a 50? No idea what the hell you guys are doing with education.
    60 and up is passing. Think of it as a 50-point scale instead of 100, just that an F isnít 60 points and all other grades 10 points.

    The short version is this is a Band-Aid on a system thatís massively failing kidsóas in not providing them a good education. My administration mentioned early this year that Californiaís math failure rate is 75%. Thatís just nuts.

    You are socially promoted until 8th grade. So you can literally fail your way up through 8th grade. And lots and lots of kids do. So imagine how ill-prepared they are once it actually counts come 9th grade? Itís staggering.

    But the system thatís set up, a set of standards that must be taught at each grade level, doesnít work if you have a 9th grader who canít read or multiply. What common core did is align the standards at essentially each grade level, just as you get older the more in depth and rigorous it becomes. This allows you to take a high schooler with a 4th-grade reading level who canít multiply and expose them to simplified work at a level closer to what they can actually do. This way you hope to catch them up as much as you can before they graduate.

    But what do you do with a student who suddenly buys in in the middle of a semester as the light bulb goes on? Thatís where the ďno zeroĒ comes in. Think about the grading scale: A 100-90, B 89-80, C 79-70, D 69-0, all 10 points, and then F is 59-0. Thatís a giant chasm.

    ďNo zeroĒ is a recognition that growth is more important in a student than anything else, but standardized, comprehensive schools and the traditional A-F grade scale cannot accurately reflect it if achieving the standard is what is reflected in your grade.

    So we fudge a bit. Motivate a student to show up and do work? They donít have a 59-point hole to crawl out of. Each grade reflects a 10-point change. Quickest way to ensure a struggling student gives up for good? Get them to buy in and do work and still fail them because, even though theyíre growing, the 100-point scale still averages out to an F.

    Given the current state of education, itís a better grading system for what needs to be done. But itís a tiny fix when giant ones are needed.


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    My brother is a long-time high school teacher. During our conversation at brunch on Saturday he was expressing his disgust regarding his own school's "No Zero's" policies. They're not allowed to fail students anymore. Also about all the attention they're required to give the ever-growing number of supposedly "special needs" kids, resulting in a real and increasing neglect of the more responsible kids.
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    I've heard of this in elementary school but not in high school and not for work not done. It's one thing to have a policy of not failing kids who show up, do all the work and just aren't up to standard. I still don't agree with that but i see the logic in it. Giving kids a 50 for literally doing nothing just seems like a really bad idea. I just mentioned this story to my wife (a teacher) and she just rolled her eyes. I reckon that sums up the thoughts of teachers on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    60 and up is passing. Think of it as a 50-point scale instead of 100, just that an F isnít 60 points and all other grades 10 points.

    The short version is this is a Band-Aid on a system thatís massively failing kidsóas in not providing them a good education. My administration mentioned early this year that Californiaís math failure rate is 75%. Thatís just nuts.

    You are socially promoted until 8th grade. So you can literally fail your way up through 8th grade. And lots and lots of kids do. So imagine how ill-prepared they are once it actually counts come 9th grade? Itís staggering.

    But the system thatís set up, a set of standards that must be taught at each grade level, doesnít work if you have a 9th grader who canít read or multiply. What common core did is align the standards at essentially each grade level, just as you get older the more in depth and rigorous it becomes. This allows you to take a high schooler with a 4th-grade reading level who canít multiply and expose them to simplified work at a level closer to what they can actually do. This way you hope to catch them up as much as you can before they graduate.

    But what do you do with a student who suddenly buys in in the middle of a semester as the light bulb goes on? Thatís where the ďno zeroĒ comes in. Think about the grading scale: A 100-90, B 89-80, C 79-70, D 69-0, all 10 points, and then F is 59-0. Thatís a giant chasm.

    ďNo zeroĒ is a recognition that growth is more important in a student than anything else, but standardized, comprehensive schools and the traditional A-F grade scale cannot accurately reflect it if achieving the standard is what is reflected in your grade.

    So we fudge a bit. Motivate a student to show up and do work? They donít have a 59-point hole to crawl out of. Each grade reflects a 10-point change. Quickest way to ensure a struggling student gives up for good? Get them to buy in and do work and still fail them because, even though theyíre growing, the 100-point scale still averages out to an F.

    Given the current state of education, itís a better grading system for what needs to be done. But itís a tiny fix when giant ones are needed.


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