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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    is the anti abortion position really that hard to understand? Many people think that life starts before the child is delivered. For people that think that way (and I honestly think that's the vast majority of people, like damn near all), does it seem unreasonable that many of them would be against killing those babies when they can be safely brought into the world?
    Itís hard to understand when itís a bunch of middle aged men talking about it and basically just agreeing with one another about the choices a woman makes with her reproductive organs, yeah.


    Do you think abortion is murder?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    It’s hard to understand when it’s a bunch of middle aged men talking about it and basically just agreeing with one another, yeah.


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    kind of a hard question to answer like that, the answer is, it depends. It certainly isn't "women's health care". When a woman is pregnant, there is a child in there. It's not ham sandwich. The "we should allow the woman to kill the child no matter the circumstances" is a pretty deplorable position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    No, Iím good.

    Thatís a typical judgemental, condescending response from somebody who doesnít have a thoughtful reply or canít actually formulate a proper retort.

    Iíd like to think youíd be able to defend your position regarding what a woman does with her reproductive organs without being a cunt.

    Yes a reproductive organ in which they may choose to engage in the act of sexual reproduction. If you choose to do so then you and the other person are responsible for the human that is created. Conception is LIFE.

    Go mess with an eagle egg and see what happens when the feds catch up with you. Why should we treat a human any different? Oh because you fucked up and don't want to take responsibility. That is not how life works. Actions have consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    kind of a hard question to answer like that, the answer is, it depends. It certainly isn't "women's health care". When a woman is pregnant, there is a child in there. It's not ham sandwich. The "we should allow the woman to kill the child no matter the circumstances" is a pretty deplorable position.
    I never said that. It does depend on the situation. You also know as well as I do there are plenty who are 100% against abortion, because they believe itís murdering a human life.

    Itís not. Itís ending the potential for life.


    I was saying I found it interesting that the God given right to bear arms is held more near and dear in the US than the sanctity of life, yet when it comes to unborn fetuses and women aborting them, that same sanctity is preserved.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    I never said that. It does depend on the situation. You also know as well as I do there are plenty who are 100% against abortion, because they believe it’s murdering a human life.

    It’s not. It’s ending the potential for life.


    I was saying I found it interesting that the God given right to bear arms is held more near and dear in the US than the sanctity of life, yet when it comes to unborn fetuses and women aborting them, that same sanctity is preserved.


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    it is killing a human life. I'm pretty pro life but there's times that i'll not put up an argument and I think most people who are anti abortion are probably in the same boat. But there is a world of difference between making the rape or incest argument, or the mother's life at risk argument, or the baby has some horrendous condition argument like was done in years past, and what we see now. The "I don't care if the baby will be delivered in 9 seconds, if the mother wants to abort that's her right". That's sickening. You can't do that in Canada. Once you hit 23 weeks the fetus is a baby here and unless you have a mother will die situation than that baby isn't being aborted.

    The right to bear arms doesn't take away anyone's life directly. You can't compare that to abortion (especially in the 3rd trimester). The biggest gun backers I bet would be the most hard ass on punishment for gun crimes. You want gun crime to drop in America, pick a bunch of NRA members as judges. Now, as you likely know, I hate guns. I don't like the "everyone has a right to a gun" argument, I think it's crazy. But my neighbour owning a gun doesn't mean he's gonna kill someone, you can't compare that to aborted a child who can safely be delivered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    it is killing a human life. I'm pretty pro life but there's times that i'll not put up an argument and I think most people who are anti abortion are probably in the same boat. But there is a world of difference between making the rape or incest argument, or the mother's life at risk argument, or the baby has some horrendous condition argument like was done in years past, and what we see now. The "I don't care if the baby will be delivered in 9 seconds, if the mother wants to abort that's her right". That's sickening. You can't do that in Canada. Once you hit 23 weeks the fetus is a baby here and unless you have a mother will die situation than that baby isn't being aborted.
    Like somebody else said, conception is life. I just don't agree. Conception is the potential for life.

    That being said, I don't disagree with anything you've said there, Mike.

    With respect to the right to bear arms. Somebody who is willing to shoot up a grade school isn't going to be deterred by any punishment. They aren't doing it because they think they're going it get a slap on the wrist. The connection I drew was regarding the response to these events.
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    The right of American citizens to bear arms is worth any deaths related to it.

    As for abortion, I could agree to compromise when the Democratic position was "rare, safe and legal".

    But that is no longer their position.

    But now my own fucking Governor is in favor of third trimester abortions, even up to the point the "mother" is dilating.

    Fuck...that.

    That's simply put murder, and anyone who doesn't agree with that is a soul-less ghoul (not anyone on here before someone gets fucking offended).

    And as long as that is the position of the Democratic Party, they will never again get my vote. Ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    I never said that. It does depend on the situation. You also know as well as I do there are plenty who are 100% against abortion, because they believe it’s murdering a human life.

    It’s not. It’s ending the potential for life.


    I was saying I found it interesting that the God given right to bear arms is held more near and dear in the US than the sanctity of life, yet when it comes to unborn fetuses and women aborting them, that same sanctity is preserved.


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    Dude, a fetus is a human life. If it's not, then when does it become one?

    Tell us when life begins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    Like somebody else said, conception is life. I just don't agree. Conception is the potential for life.

    That being said, I don't disagree with anything you've said there, Mike.

    With respect to the right to bear arms. Somebody who is willing to shoot up a grade school isn't going to be deterred by any punishment. They aren't doing it because they think they're going it get a slap on the wrist. The connection I drew was regarding the response to these events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    The right of American citizens to bear arms is worth any deaths related to it.

    As for abortion, I could agree to compromise when the Democratic position was "rare, safe and legal".

    But that is no longer their position.

    But now my own fucking Governor is in favor of third trimester abortions, even up to the point the "mother" is dilating.

    Fuck...that.

    That's simply put murder, and anyone who doesn't agree with that is a soul-less ghoul (not anyone on here before someone gets fucking offended).

    And as long as that is the position of the Democratic Party, they will never again get my vote. Ever.
    So that's on the democratic platform, the right to have abortions until a woman is in her last month of pregnancy? I'd like to get the link where it's written. Because I highly doubt it's the case.
    The thing with this dumb debate is when abortions are restricted/outlawed, they still happen. In terrible conditions, sometimes claiming both the life of the mom and baby. And if you want less abortions, you need better sex ed and free contraception for everyone. Which conservatives generally oppose.
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    Does it need to be on the platform when multiple major leaders of the Democratic Party say it all the time?

    Here in Virginia alone, just last year, a bill was presented by the Democratic Party that would have allowed at any point in the pregnancy, even up to the point the woman is dilating.

    It got tabled, but only 5-3. Think, there were three people that thought "yeah, that's a good idea". And my racist Klan clothing wearing, blackface painting POS Governor supported it.

    Bernie Sanders is on the record supporting late term abortions.

    Hillary Clinton.

    Governor Cuomo. I can go on. Are they not Democrats, did they all switch parties without notifying anyone?

    They are also on record as supporting killing a baby that survives an abortion. Think on that term, it "survives" an abortion, but the argument is that it isn't alive.

    Makes me sick.
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