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    Default For those old enough to live through it, 1986...

    It seems like everything turns into a Sam vs. Dave thread, so I thought I would create a Sam vs. Dave thread that approaches it a little differently. Forget everything that has happened with the band since 1987. Put yourself in your state of mind that you were in in 1986, when Eat 'Em and Smile and 5150 were released. Which one did you like better then, and which one do you like now?

    For me, I was in the Dave camp in 1986. When I first heard EEAS, I was floored. I hadn't really heard of Steve Vai until then, and it was right up my alley. Of course, I was 15 years old at the time, and was already pretty into the original Van Halen. I also liked 5150, but I felt like EEAS was better.

    Fast forward 30 years, and I feel a little differently. I don't know if I'm listening to them now with a more mature ear, or if the follow up albums somehow changed the way I view the stuff from '86, but I find myself favoring 5150 a little bit over EEAS now.
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    5150 then.
    5150 now.

    Eat Em' is a good record tho.. Obviously.

    no disrespect, but dave tried to get the best who could fill ed, al, and mikes shoes. and he did.

    5150 was moving forward tho. It's all good.

    just never forget hearing summer nights, 5150, dreams in the summer of '86.


    pretty awesome.

    I probably have more to say about this, but that's all I have right now..
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    No contest. EEAS was good.

    5150 was a miracle, that it was as good as it was. We did not expect that. We expected it to tank without Dave.

    Summer Nights vs Yankee Rose? Not even close.

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    This is tough, I was solidly in the Dave camp, but Eddie was the reason I like Van Halen.
    5150 was a better album top to bottom, but EEAS has a couple better songs over 5150.
    When WCTBL hit the radio, I was pissed. I though VH was ruined and now it would be nothing but sappy love songs which were a dime a dozen back then. But I bought the album, I heard GE and I was oh, well that's alright. The next two songs sucked, so I almost stopped listening
    But the Dreams, SN, BOBW I was encouraged. LWI was alright and 5150 blew me away. Honestly I'd love to mix the two albums, it would go like this
    Yankee Rose
    Summer Nights
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    Ladies night in Buffalo
    Goin Crazy
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    EEAS for me. Didn't like 5150 then, still don't like it now.
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    For me it comes down to this...Vai is an incredible guitar player. Technically, maybe even "better" than Eddie. BUT, what I think gets overlooked sometimes by people (maybe outside this site) is that Eddie can flat out write a song. So "better" becomes meaningless. Eddie has chops and can write music I want to listen to...the songs on EEAS were good, but there was an element of liking anything Dave was involved with....Dave missed Eddie for his entire solo career. Nobody writes a hard rock tune like Ed. So, yea, 5150 by a country mile - then and now.
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    I was pretty even down the middle in 1986. Like both records (could do without Dreams and LWI). I was still a VH nut.

    EEAS rocks your face off. that's a good thing.

    Actually I'd put Yankee Rose up against any 5150 song. Very strong, well-written song that has all the ingredients from start to finish. Plus iconic video.

    Both might have songs you could toss (Get Up, maybe.... Tobacco Road, maybe)... but still they had purpose within the album context more or less.

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    Still remember hearing WCTBL for the first time. Ugh. But then I heard some of the other stuff, thought it was different and more commercial sounding, but it still rocked. I don't care for either WCTBL or LWI, but the rest of the album is pretty strong. It was a bit jarring at the time, because there isn't anything on there that has the intensity or aggression of the two tracks that end 1984, GGB and HOP, and that doesn't have anything to do with the vocals really.

    With EEAS, I thought it was a pretty good album as well. Never cared for Bump And Grind and a couple others are just, "ehh", but there are some stellar tracks. Goin Crazy is still my fav Dave solo tune, and Big Trouble, Ladies Nite In Buffalo, and Yankee Rose are all excellent. Dave is just a superior lyricist to Sam, IMO.

    Overall, though, Ed and Al beat Vai and Bissonette every day of the week and twice on Sunday, and that's why I give the slight edge to 5150. Still wish cooler heads had prevailed, and the original band had stayed intact, but oh well, can't change the past and VH was still my favorite band, just as they are now.

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    1986 mindset?

    "I love 5150, God I wish Dave was singing these songs though!"

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    When I heard the news that Dave was leaving, it really did not shock me. Maybe I was surprised, but not shocked. Dave came across as wanting to do his own thing. I didn't think Van Halen was over, but I was curious as to how and with whom they would move forward. When it was announced that Sammy was joining the band, it made sense to me. Sammy had a few hits of his own and an MTV presence, plus he had been great in Montrose.

    When I first heard Eat 'em and Smile, the first thing I thought was Steve Vai is not Edward Van Halen, and Dave is not the same without Van Halen's music. I honestly thought it was a step down for Dave and a sign that he had made a huge mistake.

    When I heard 5150, the first thing I thought was Sammy Hagar sounds nothing like he did during is solo career. This was the best he had ever sounded, and I really respected his work on the first Montrose album and on Standing Hampton. Joining Van Halen brought out the best in Sammy Hagar. Van Halen sounded different but awesome. It was intriguing and invigorating. Any concern I had about Van Halen without Dave vanished.

    Eat 'em and Smile was a good album. 5150 is an excellent album and one of Van Halen's best, in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xk319 View Post
    1986 mindset?

    "I love 5150, God I wish Dave was singing these songs though!"
    Ha ha - I had that same but opposite reaction to ADKOT - these songs are awesome, God I wish that was Sammy's voice singing them.

    1986 I was all kinds of fired up that Sam was taking over. I got hooked on VH through their Jump video, like, oh, a few million of us I'm sure. But I always thought Dave was their weak link. Never really liked his voice or his stage antics. I was a fan of the music, not the spectacle. And at the time I was also a Hagar fan because of VOA. So to me, this was a match made in heaven - my favorite vocalist fronting my favorite band.

    Also have to be honest that WCTBL didn't blow me away when I first heard it. Grew on me, but at first I was thinking it just didn't rock hard enough. I was like "this is it?!?" It became a favorite song, although that might be because I talked myself into it, LOL.

    Even with my "Dave is the weak link" position, I bought EEAS and Skyscraper, solely because of his past connection to VH. If it had anything to do with VH, I was on board.

    Today, I still prefer Sam fronting VH as a singer and performer, and love the magic that happens when Sam is singing and Ed is playing. That said, the songs that are created when Dave and Ed are working together are unreal. ADKOT was an album I wish they would have made with Sam, and that includes Roth's lyrics.

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    5150. All summer long. Two cassettes that summer alone. South Padre Island ate one. Baby oil and beach sand. And bosoms. Lots of bodoms...

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    5150...not even close.

    EEAS was Dave trying waaay too hard.

    I was a Dave fan until Skyscraper and then never gave him another thought.

    I applaud those who are genuine in their like for him and who followed his career. I found his output to be mediocre at best.

    Yes, that goes for Sam out of VH , too.

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    5150, then and now.
    "It's so lonely at the top because it's so crowded at the bottom" - Diamond David Lee Roth

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    5150 then as a 12/13 year old, and now as a 42 year old. But EEAS may well be my second favorite album of 1986.

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