THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY

[Darrin Stephens]

Her explaining electricity is still my favorite.

I like she did a tik tok or some platform from her kitchen explaining why she supported banning gas stoves. In the backyou see her litchen w a gas stove. Kinda speaks to tone deafness of politicians

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[I Coulda Hada VH]

She makes Sleepy Joe assassination proof.

[ziggysmalls]

Catching up.

I think its a bit naive to think that 2020 electioni was the same old same old with how media and big tech treated the election. it was different. You had governement influence on media and big tech. The proof is there. The DOJ wanted a person to win and did what they could to try to limit it. Again its as easy as Hunters laptop. 53 intelligence officers with ties to DOJ immediately said Russian hoax. I am not going to sit there and say 2020 was the same as 2016, 2012, 2008, etc. It wasn't

Its like saying "the border is the same as it was under Trump, Obmaa, GW, etc" Its not. There are variations. Anyway it is what it is. Just can't believe some of you are ok with it and think its normal. Its a travesty.

Doesn't make Trump innocent of Jan 6th.

[Dave's Dreidel]

I think it is a bit naive to believe that business leaders and political lobbyists don't get together and decide which of the final two candidates is best for their interests and put all their formidable weight into getting that person elected.

The only difference is now it is Google and other tech companies that have the most impact, and not the New York Times and Washington Post.

[Darrin Stephens]

I think it is a bit naive to believe that business leaders and political lobbyists don't get together and decide which of the final two candidates is best for their interests and put all their formidable weight into getting that person elected.

The only difference is now it is Google and other tech companies that have the most impact, and not the New York Times and Washington Post.

It has occurred very often but too often I think candidates deflect off their own bad decisions. Like Hillary going on about Comey's announcement and Facebook ads. Neither of those account for her awful decision to not campaign in the midwest and to minimize Trump's data game which was far superior. Trump in 20 big tech hates me, but big tech did not get you impeached or to give shout outs to fringe groups in a presidential debate etc... a lot of passive voters got motivated to turnout in record numbers. Even Jimmy Carter on the Iran hostage situation and the decision to delay the deal by iranians. In the end had nothing to do with the fact his lack of understanding and awful selection of the FED FOMC created stagflation that crushed the middle class.

It is a thing and should reform campaign finance, and role of media platforms but it seems only the losers care about it then have no issue when it goes in their favor. I think if folks stood up and said yeah I fucked it but we should fix this problem for all it would have better traction. Instead it just seems to be a loser's whine then both sides do nothing and race to use the flaws to their respective interests. I know an awfully cynical POV but when "anti establishment" folks get in shockingly these issues never make into legislation and only into fundraisers rhetoric it feels confirmatory there is a lack of sincere concern.

[ziggysmalls]

I think it is a bit naive to believe that business leaders and political lobbyists don't get together and decide which of the final two candidates is best for their interests and put all their formidable weight into getting that person elected.

The only difference is now it is Google and other tech companies that have the most impact, and not the New York Times and Washington Post.

You honestly think that what we read and was pormoted through every election was less than 2020 Seriously have you not read the Twitter files witih how much influence our governemnt was handing to Big Tech.

they were censoring stories. Flagging people as Russian Bots. I know you will disagree but geez. Yes of course businesses and money have influence but they were censoring stories. In the past to my knowledge, stories were allowed to be pushed out. GW's National Guard/ Clintons pot use. OBama smoking a joint. Trump's history was open.

This was totally different. Just think of what you believed last year about Hunter. Today. Its probalby a bit different. A lot of people here said "this is a hoax." Now its not/

Sorry going to die on this hill This was obstruction of an election. Just as much as Jan 6th with Trump. With Russia Russia Russia, The Dossier, etc it was simply a silent coup instead of a riot

[Dave's Dreidel]

I will guarantee you that I know a lot more about how the USG interacts with the media behind the scenes than anyone on here.

If you think this was new, I have an island to sell you in New York.

[ziggysmalls]

To put in a different context. Nancy Pelosi's tape has some sketchy things but in the end he was attacked by a man with a hammer. The whole Hunter laptop thing one may go "well this, that and what abouts..." In the end, the American public were not given full transparency of a potential issue that could have impacted the election. The DOJ was behind and promoting that this was a Russian hoax. They were trying to influence our media to not distribute. They succeeded.

To me we can go back and forth on influence in elections. In 2020 there was an effort to influence the election by a supposedly not-partisian group. To me that is offensive. I know to some its a big nothing burger. I can't simply just brush this off as "business as usual" because in my life I can't ever remember a story being buried due to the DOJ and Media. Eventually everything came out.

I do undersrtand powers at be are always in the background pulling strings. This IMO was different because I do think it mattered. I think this is bigger than lets say Murdoch, Gates, Soros, Koch, etc

This was censorship by the DOJ or the attempt of it

[Dave's Dreidel]

USG infiltrated Hollywood and the media starting with WWII, and it has grown exponentially since, and less and less overt over time. Emphasis mine.

Publicly pissing on the Intelligence Community has consequences.

[bklynboy68]

USG infiltrated Hollywood and the media starting with WWII, and it has grown exponentially since, and less and less overt over time. Emphasis mine.

Publicly pissing on the Intelligence Community has consequences.

Yes, this is called history. Those who choose to ignore it will have it repeated again and again.





You don’t accept this, you fight against it. When did America become ok with politicians speaking to us this way? Or threatening to use weapons against us if we don’t give up rights? (Swalwell, Kamala)

[edwardv]

[lovemachine97(Version 2)]

They've created a system where the worst that happens if you lose is you're back in power when the other team screws up.

And it is the party that makes that possible so it becomes about the party and power, and everything else is a distant second.

[Dave's Dreidel]

Trump compared the Intelligence Agencies to the Nazi's as President Elect, and it went downhill from there. Not saying it is right, but people are human, and if something in 2020 came across someone's desk at an IC agency, and it could help Biden to let it sit for a few months, wouldn't surprise me to find out that is exactly what they did.

Some of you will call that Deep State or the International Cabal, others will call it simple human nature.

He pissed off some really powerful people, and they had the means to get him back. Not saying that is what happened, but it wouldn't surprise me if it did.

[bklynboy68]

Bob Woodward condemns media's Russiagate coverage, reveals reporters ignored his warnings about Steele dossier

Woodward says Post reporters had 'lack of curiosity' about criticism of Steele dossier

February 1, 2023


Veteran journalist Bob Woodward revealed in a new interview that Washington Post reporters essentially ignored his warnings about the shortcomings of the infamous Christopher Steele dossier, amidst the feverish Russiagate media coverage that dominated the Trump administration.

In a lengthy report for Columbia Journalism Review, Jeff Gerth interviewed media and political figures wrapped up in Russiagate — the sweeping term for the allegations of Trump-Russia collusion in the 2016 election — including Donald Trump himself, finding in particular where the media went wrong. Woodward, one of the reporters famous for breaking the Watergate scandal for the Washington Post, told Gerth that viewers and readers had been "cheated" by the coverage.

"Bob Woodward, of the Post, told me that news coverage of the Russia inquiry ‘wasn’t handled well’ and that he thought viewers and readers had been 'cheated.' He urged newsrooms to 'walk down the painful road of introspection,'" Gerth wrote.

The Steele dossier came in for a particular shellacking. The series of memos by ex-British spy Christopher Steele containing unproven allegations of Trump-Russia coordination to defeat Hillary Clinton, as well as salacious sex tape rumors about Trump in Russia, was funded by the Clinton campaign and circulated among intelligence officials, journalists and political figures for weeks in 2016 before BuzzFeed News published its full contents in January 2017.

Then-FBI Director James Comey briefed Trump on the 35-page file's contents shortly before he took office. Then-President Barack Obama was also given a summary of the file, which was reported on uncritically by various left-wing media figures who became enthusiastic proponents of the Russiagate conspiracy. It was also used by the FBI to obtain a surveillance warrant for former Trump aide Carter Page, and read into the Congressional Record by Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif.

By the time BuzzFeed printed the dossier, Russiagate media coverage was in launch mode, but Woodward stood out with his declaration in a Fox News appearance on Jan. 15, 2017, that it was a "garbage document" that never should have been part of an intelligence briefing, Gerth wrote.

Woodward told Gerth that he then "reached out to people who covered this" at the Washington Post. When asked how they reacted, Woodward said, "To be honest, there was a lack of curiosity on the part of the people at the Post about what I had said, why I said this, and I accepted that and I didn’t force it on anyone."

Years later, the Washington Post was forced to issue lengthy corrections to several stories around the Steele dossier. The paper didn't respond to a request for comment.

The Steele dossier is now widely considered discredited, and media outlets that heaped credibility on it have come in for a reckoning from critics. The Michael Horowitz Inspector General report in 2019 found some of the only corroborated aspects of the dossier were publicly available information, and some aspects were specifically proven false, like the accusation that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen once visited Prague as part of a collusion scheme.


The Washington Post's Erik Wemple published a series of reports on the media failures surrounding the dossier, and the New York Times' "Daily" podcast concluded it was "profoundly flawed." The indictment of Steele sub-source Igor Danchenko for lying to the FBI — he was later acquitted—– in the John Durham probe revealed one of his sources was longtime Democratic spin doctor and Clinton supporter Charles Dolan, lending what Wemple termed a twisted circular logic to the dossier; a Democratic-funded ex-spy was compiling information in part from a Democratic source who was supporting the funder of the dossier herself.

Steele told Gerth for his CJR report that his "raw intelligence reports" were meant only "for client oral briefing, rather than a finished and assessed written intelligence product." But in the years after its publication by BuzzFeed, figures on MSNBC and CNN often gushed that much of Steele's material had not been disproven.

"A lot of it turned out to be right on the money," MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace said in 2017.


CJR spent 18 months investigating the coverage of Trump and Russia before publishing its report on Monday, and editor-in-chief Kyle Pope stated in an introduction to Gerth's lengthy treatise that neither the press nor Trump came out well.

"The story, which included the Steele dossier and the Mueller report among other totemic moments, resulted in Pulitzer Prizes as well as embarrassing retractions and damaged careers," he wrote. "For Trump, the press’s pursuit of the Russia story convinced him that any sort of normal relationship with the press was impossible."


https://www.foxnews.com/media/bob-wo...steele-dossier

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Bob Woodward condemns media's Russiagate coverage, reveals reporters ignored his warnings about Steele dossier

Woodward says Post reporters had 'lack of curiosity' about criticism of Steele dossier

February 1, 2023


Veteran journalist Bob Woodward revealed in a new interview that Washington Post reporters essentially ignored his warnings about the shortcomings of the infamous Christopher Steele dossier, amidst the feverish Russiagate media coverage that dominated the Trump administration.

In a lengthy report for Columbia Journalism Review, Jeff Gerth interviewed media and political figures wrapped up in Russiagate — the sweeping term for the allegations of Trump-Russia collusion in the 2016 election — including Donald Trump himself, finding in particular where the media went wrong. Woodward, one of the reporters famous for breaking the Watergate scandal for the Washington Post, told Gerth that viewers and readers had been "cheated" by the coverage.

"Bob Woodward, of the Post, told me that news coverage of the Russia inquiry ‘wasn’t handled well’ and that he thought viewers and readers had been 'cheated.' He urged newsrooms to 'walk down the painful road of introspection,'" Gerth wrote.

The Steele dossier came in for a particular shellacking. The series of memos by ex-British spy Christopher Steele containing unproven allegations of Trump-Russia coordination to defeat Hillary Clinton, as well as salacious sex tape rumors about Trump in Russia, was funded by the Clinton campaign and circulated among intelligence officials, journalists and political figures for weeks in 2016 before BuzzFeed News published its full contents in January 2017.

Then-FBI Director James Comey briefed Trump on the 35-page file's contents shortly before he took office. Then-President Barack Obama was also given a summary of the file, which was reported on uncritically by various left-wing media figures who became enthusiastic proponents of the Russiagate conspiracy. It was also used by the FBI to obtain a surveillance warrant for former Trump aide Carter Page, and read into the Congressional Record by Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif.

By the time BuzzFeed printed the dossier, Russiagate media coverage was in launch mode, but Woodward stood out with his declaration in a Fox News appearance on Jan. 15, 2017, that it was a "garbage document" that never should have been part of an intelligence briefing, Gerth wrote.

Woodward told Gerth that he then "reached out to people who covered this" at the Washington Post. When asked how they reacted, Woodward said, "To be honest, there was a lack of curiosity on the part of the people at the Post about what I had said, why I said this, and I accepted that and I didn’t force it on anyone."

Years later, the Washington Post was forced to issue lengthy corrections to several stories around the Steele dossier. The paper didn't respond to a request for comment.

The Steele dossier is now widely considered discredited, and media outlets that heaped credibility on it have come in for a reckoning from critics. The Michael Horowitz Inspector General report in 2019 found some of the only corroborated aspects of the dossier were publicly available information, and some aspects were specifically proven false, like the accusation that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen once visited Prague as part of a collusion scheme.


The Washington Post's Erik Wemple published a series of reports on the media failures surrounding the dossier, and the New York Times' "Daily" podcast concluded it was "profoundly flawed." The indictment of Steele sub-source Igor Danchenko for lying to the FBI — he was later acquitted—– in the John Durham probe revealed one of his sources was longtime Democratic spin doctor and Clinton supporter Charles Dolan, lending what Wemple termed a twisted circular logic to the dossier; a Democratic-funded ex-spy was compiling information in part from a Democratic source who was supporting the funder of the dossier herself.

Steele told Gerth for his CJR report that his "raw intelligence reports" were meant only "for client oral briefing, rather than a finished and assessed written intelligence product." But in the years after its publication by BuzzFeed, figures on MSNBC and CNN often gushed that much of Steele's material had not been disproven.

"A lot of it turned out to be right on the money," MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace said in 2017.


CJR spent 18 months investigating the coverage of Trump and Russia before publishing its report on Monday, and editor-in-chief Kyle Pope stated in an introduction to Gerth's lengthy treatise that neither the press nor Trump came out well.

"The story, which included the Steele dossier and the Mueller report among other totemic moments, resulted in Pulitzer Prizes as well as embarrassing retractions and damaged careers," he wrote. "For Trump, the press’s pursuit of the Russia story convinced him that any sort of normal relationship with the press was impossible."


https://www.foxnews.com/media/bob-wo...steele-dossier

Lol Fuck Woodward he was right there pushing the lies