THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY

[Dave's Dreidel]

Trump was not part of a Russian coup, he was not selling anything to anybody.

People know better

Never said he was part of a Russian coup.

He did try to use the power of the Oval Office to overturn an election. Anyone denying that has his head in the sand.

I also think it is an easy assumption to make that the Saudis didn't give Jared $2 Billion dollars to "invest and manage" because of Jared's skills as a money manager, it had to with some quid pro quo with Trump. What that was/is, who knows. The stolen documents is just the low hanging fruit to assume.

[NDL]

Sweet Geezus, I just don't get it.

He literally tried to overthrow the US government. That is not a bold take, that is what he tried to do. How in the fuck is that a forgivable sin to people that call themselves Patriots?

On top of that, he intentionally stole classified documents for the purposes of either using them for political leverage, or selling them to foreign adversaries, or a combination of the two.

How is it possible to wave the flag and sing "God Bless America" and then reconcile that to supporting Trump? Make me understand it.

I know your question is sincere, as is my answer:

The people about whom you spake, sincerely believe that the election was stolen. Their belief is not emotional, in that because their candidate lost, they've conjured up "the election was stolen" theory; no, in their minds, they sincerely believe that the election was stolen. I am not going to try to substantiate their beliefs, because their beliefs aren't necessarily mine. But this is what they believe.

Therefore, while they didn't approve of Trump's' post election behavior, some are willing to look the other way with respect to his candidacy.

[bklynboy68]

I know your question is sincere, as is my answer:

The people about whom you spake, sincerely believe that the election was stolen. Their belief is not emotional, in that because their candidate lost, they've conjured up "the election was stolen" theory; no, in their minds, they sincerely believe that the election was stolen. I am not going to try to substantiate their beliefs, because their beliefs aren't necessarily mine. But this is what they believe.

Therefore, while they didn't approve of Trump's' post election behavior, some are willing to look the other way with respect to his candidacy.

It's also something that the other side has been doing since 2000. So if anyone wants to attack these people for believing this, maybe start with the other side first, then maybe.

[Dave's Dreidel]

It's also something that the other side has been doing since 2000. So if anyone wants to attack these people for believing this, maybe start with the other side first, then maybe.

Nope, you don't get "the other side" argument when you try to overthrow the government. And since 2000, there has been a Republican POTUS in office for 12 out of the 22 years, if the Democrats are committing voter fraud they are really doing a shitty job.

I get it, I think a lot of you guys believe that somehow how Biden stole the 2020 election and are afraid to say it, so you think Trump was justified. There has not been one piece of evidence to support widespread fraud, there is just the "I refuse to believe that many people voted for Biden".

[bklynboy68]

Nope, you don't get "the other side" argument when you try to overthrow the government. And since 2000, there has been a Republican POTUS in office for 12 out of the 22 years, if the Democrats are committing voter fraud they are really doing a shitty job.

I get it, I think a lot of you guys believe that somehow how Biden stole the 2020 election and are afraid to say it, so you think Trump was justified. There has not been one piece of evidence to support widespread fraud, there is just the "I refuse to believe that many people voted for Biden".

There was no attempted overthrow of the government.

[edwardv]

Women independents and women in general despise Trump. You know how I know? On dating sites the most frequent thing I see on womens profiles these days is No Trumpers.

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[bklynboy68]

More Proof That Nancy Pelosi Was More Responsible for J6 Riot Than Trump

BY VICTORIA TAFT 9:36 PM ON JANUARY 08, 2023



A little-noticed bill passed before Christmas shows that the U.S. Senate knows Nancy Pelosi had more to do with the U.S. Capitol breach on January 6, 2021, than anything President Trump did that day. Indeed, Nancy Pelosi could be crowned Queen of the Mob, since her actions led to the crashing of the perimeter fences, general dysfunction, and deaths of Trump supporters that day.

Even after the one-sided January 6 Committee left Pelosi’s role on the cutting room floor, there’s one inescapable conclusion: If she’d done her job, there would have been no riot, no deaths of Trump supporters, no show trials, and no political prisoners sitting in solitary confinement in a D.C. gulag for two years awaiting trial. And there would have been no need for federal agents to “orchestrate” a riot.

Pelosi was more responsible for the marauding mob at the Capitol that day than anything President Trump did to “incite” his huge crowd of supporters — which he provably did not.

And here’s how we know this.

On Monday night, December 12, senators unanimously passed a measure to remove authority for calling out the National Guard from politicians like Nancy Pelosi and gave it over to the Capitol Police.

Despite heightened threat assessments by federal authorities showing problems ahead of January 6, 2021, and the Trump Administration offering National Guard help, the people who were supposed call out the Guard, the speaker and D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser, wanted no Guard on scene due to optics. Bowser had battled with Trump over National Guard presence during the BLM/Antifa riots in the past and didn’t want the militarized look in D.C. If she needed them at all for January 6, she decided the Guard would be unarmed and relegated to traffic control.

Pelosi’s office “was heavily involved in planning and decision-making before and during the events of Jan. 6, 2021, and micromanaged the Sergeant at Arms,” according to texts and other communications that came to light after January 6.


From early December 2020, Pelosi aides attended regular meetings with Irving and Sund to discuss the security plan. So hands-on was Pelosi’s chief of staff Terri McCullough that, at one point, she was editing details of parking, event timing and “language regarding official business visitors” for the Joint Session.



The Pelosi team’s messages and posts were exposed in an investigative report by the same House Republicans Pelosi removed from the J6 Committee. The messages show how Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund begged Pelosi and the Sergeant at Arms to plus-up security. His request for help was only satisfied after the riot fizzled out.

The New York Post reported that the GOP investigation showed that “House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving, who answered to Pelosi as one of three voting members of the Capitol Police Board, ‘succumbed to political pressures from the Office of Speaker Pelosi and House Democrat leadership,’ was compromised by politics and did not adequately prepare for violence at the Capitol.”

The House and Senate sergeant at arms and Capitol Police Chief Sund resigned their jobs after the disaster, which could have been prevented.

But in a move the same week, the Democrat-run Senate tacitly affirmed that Nancy Pelosi royally screwed up by failing to take Trump up on his offer of using the Guard and preventing what the J6 Cassandras said was worse than the Civil War or the 9/11 attacks. How incredibly insulting.


Of course, after the unrest, neither woman was held accountable for failing to act. And the aftermath of the breach was more politicized than anything we’ve seen since the FBI and Hillary Clinton worked with actual Russian spies to create a fiction that Trump was a Russian secret agent.

Efforts to smear the outspoken Trump lived on in the outrageously one-sided January 6 Committee proceedings and continue to this day.

After kicking off Republicans from the January 6 Committee, unprecedented in the history of our country, Pelosi also struck a deal with her hand-selected gaslighters to not be a subject of the probe. Her fingerprints were to be wiped from the proceedings.

But if you know where to look you can see them.


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...trump-n1659840



And more will come now that the Repubs will release all the info. Which might have been part of why Nancy stepped down.

[Dave's Dreidel]

There was no attempted overthrow of the government.

Then you are simply playing team politics and ignoring the facts.

[NDL]

Nope, you don't get "the other side" argument when you try to overthrow the government. And since 2000, there has been a Republican POTUS in office for 12 out of the 22 years, if the Democrats are committing voter fraud they are really doing a shitty job.

I get it, I think a lot of you guys believe that somehow how Biden stole the 2020 election and are afraid to say it, so you think Trump was justified. There has not been one piece of evidence to support widespread fraud, there is just the "I refuse to believe that many people voted for Biden".

Both Party's act out of self interest, and that includes doing underhanded things in order to "win."

The question then becomes: "while conspiracy theorists will often postulate wildly absurd things to support their positions, are there enough inconsistencies in the political sphere to raise legitimate concerns?"

Enter the debacle surrounding Kari Lake: her opponent was in charge of everything; voting machines in some Republican districts were out of order; assertions suggest that voting cards weren't tabulated properly; every reasonable request to have voting hours extended in affected districts was denied.

Is there enough there to raise suspicions? Yes.

Has the media elaborated on any of her provable assertions?

No.

Has anyone at the State level raised a ruckus at what might have been voter tampering?

No.

So what does this do to the psyche of the average voter? Does it inspire confidence in the integrity of the system?

Getting back to the 2020 election, locally, there were a few eyebrow raising instances that happened in Georgia. Can I speak to the Nation as a whole? No, but again...when you hear of alleged chicanery taking place locally, it makes you wonder.

In the end, I am with you 110%: I do not like, nor do I approve, of what took place post election - and for the same reasons that you've stated. But does the voting system have my full confidence?

[VH1986]

Trump may have tried to overthrow the government or whatever happened. Biden is trying to overthrow my wallet.


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Wow! So, your wallet is more important than the Constitution and the Republic?

[bklynboy68]

Then you are simply playing team politics and ignoring the facts.

No, I think it's the other way around.

But it doesn't matter. Much like the rest of the country ,we won't agree regardless of evidence.

[bklynboy68]

Both Party's act out of self interest, and that includes doing underhanded things in order to "win."

The question then becomes: "while conspiracy theorists will often postulate wildly absurd things to support their positions, are there enough inconsistencies in the political sphere to raise legitimate concerns?"

Enter the debacle surrounding Kari Lake: her opponent was in charge of everything; voting machines in some Republican districts were out of order; assertions suggest that voting cards weren't tabulated properly; every reasonable request to have voting hours extended in affected districts was denied.

Is there enough there to raise suspicions? Yes.

Has the media elaborated on any of her provable assertions?

No.

Has anyone at the State level raised a ruckus at what might have been voter tampering?

No.

So what does this do to the psyche of the average voter? Does it inspire confidence in the integrity of the system?

Getting back to the 2020 election, locally, there were a few eyebrow raising instances that happened in Georgia. Can I speak to the Nation as a whole? No, but again...when you hear of alleged chicanery taking place locally, it makes you wonder.

In the end, I am with you 110%: I do not like, nor do I approve, of what took place post election - and for the same reasons that you've stated. But does the voting system have my full confidence?

It doesn't matter, the lines are drawn.

[Dave's Dreidel]

You guys do realize that six out of the seven judges on the Arizona Supreme Court is a registered Republican appointed by a Republican Governor, and they have voted down Kari Lake's legal challenges to the election results at every turn. The other justice is a Libertarian appointed by a Republican Governor.

Maybe it is the quality of her argument (and lack thereof) and not that there is a vast left wing conspiracy.

[Darrin Stephens]

Then you are simply playing team politics and ignoring the facts.

Given Trump himself stated reversing the election was a goal I am not sure how this is controversial. I get folks may want to argue justification like fraud and every claim give it a day in court. It had 62 tries in court with the majority of presiding judges having been Trump or republican appointees. It went 0 for 62.

[Darrin Stephens]

More Proof That Nancy Pelosi Was More Responsible for J6 Riot Than Trump

BY VICTORIA TAFT 9:36 PM ON JANUARY 08, 2023



A little-noticed bill passed before Christmas shows that the U.S. Senate knows Nancy Pelosi had more to do with the U.S. Capitol breach on January 6, 2021, than anything President Trump did that day. Indeed, Nancy Pelosi could be crowned Queen of the Mob, since her actions led to the crashing of the perimeter fences, general dysfunction, and deaths of Trump supporters that day.

Even after the one-sided January 6 Committee left Pelosi’s role on the cutting room floor, there’s one inescapable conclusion: If she’d done her job, there would have been no riot, no deaths of Trump supporters, no show trials, and no political prisoners sitting in solitary confinement in a D.C. gulag for two years awaiting trial. And there would have been no need for federal agents to “orchestrate” a riot.

Pelosi was more responsible for the marauding mob at the Capitol that day than anything President Trump did to “incite” his huge crowd of supporters — which he provably did not.

And here’s how we know this.

On Monday night, December 12, senators unanimously passed a measure to remove authority for calling out the National Guard from politicians like Nancy Pelosi and gave it over to the Capitol Police.

Despite heightened threat assessments by federal authorities showing problems ahead of January 6, 2021, and the Trump Administration offering National Guard help, the people who were supposed call out the Guard, the speaker and D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser, wanted no Guard on scene due to optics. Bowser had battled with Trump over National Guard presence during the BLM/Antifa riots in the past and didn’t want the militarized look in D.C. If she needed them at all for January 6, she decided the Guard would be unarmed and relegated to traffic control.

Pelosi’s office “was heavily involved in planning and decision-making before and during the events of Jan. 6, 2021, and micromanaged the Sergeant at Arms,” according to texts and other communications that came to light after January 6.


From early December 2020, Pelosi aides attended regular meetings with Irving and Sund to discuss the security plan. So hands-on was Pelosi’s chief of staff Terri McCullough that, at one point, she was editing details of parking, event timing and “language regarding official business visitors” for the Joint Session.



The Pelosi team’s messages and posts were exposed in an investigative report by the same House Republicans Pelosi removed from the J6 Committee. The messages show how Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund begged Pelosi and the Sergeant at Arms to plus-up security. His request for help was only satisfied after the riot fizzled out.

The New York Post reported that the GOP investigation showed that “House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving, who answered to Pelosi as one of three voting members of the Capitol Police Board, ‘succumbed to political pressures from the Office of Speaker Pelosi and House Democrat leadership,’ was compromised by politics and did not adequately prepare for violence at the Capitol.”

The House and Senate sergeant at arms and Capitol Police Chief Sund resigned their jobs after the disaster, which could have been prevented.

But in a move the same week, the Democrat-run Senate tacitly affirmed that Nancy Pelosi royally screwed up by failing to take Trump up on his offer of using the Guard and preventing what the J6 Cassandras said was worse than the Civil War or the 9/11 attacks. How incredibly insulting.


Of course, after the unrest, neither woman was held accountable for failing to act. And the aftermath of the breach was more politicized than anything we’ve seen since the FBI and Hillary Clinton worked with actual Russian spies to create a fiction that Trump was a Russian secret agent.

Efforts to smear the outspoken Trump lived on in the outrageously one-sided January 6 Committee proceedings and continue to this day.

After kicking off Republicans from the January 6 Committee, unprecedented in the history of our country, Pelosi also struck a deal with her hand-selected gaslighters to not be a subject of the probe. Her fingerprints were to be wiped from the proceedings.

But if you know where to look you can see them.


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...trump-n1659840



And more will come now that the Repubs will release all the info. Which might have been part of why Nancy stepped down.

Oh wow the highly respected PJ Media with a lengthy history of false claims. Dipping into the bottom of the barrel sludge LOL. Nothing scream facts on my side like a PJ Media link, LOL. This is awesome and funny part it a subscription service.