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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    It doesn’t matter, it’s out there and Trump released his in 2016. He has now added 20 more names and called for Biden to do the same BEFORE Ginsburg died.
    Nope. Everything trump instituted will be undone post November 3rd, and this as well. Why just have a list for the Supreme Court? Why not also have a list for the 9th circuit, and all the other judicial position? And why just the judiciary? Why not have a list for the top generals, the secretary of the interior, etc, etc. Dumb as fuck. You elect a President, you don't elect a list. Most nominations need to be confirmed by Congress, and there's election for Congress so the people have their say.
    What we need is not more lists, it's laws preventing corporations from hiring lobbyist and buying influence to have their way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    Dumb as fuck. Most nominations need to be confirmed by Congress, and there's election for Congress so the people have their say.
    Yes you are.
    The President nominates a SCOTUS. The Senate judiciary committee then has hearings and then the full Senate approves or the POTUS tries again. Get your shit straight.
    Just go for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    Nope. Everything trump instituted will be undone post November 3rd, and this as well. Why just have a list for the Supreme Court? Why not also have a list for the 9th circuit, and all the other judicial position? And why just the judiciary? Why not have a list for the top generals, the secretary of the interior, etc, etc. Dumb as fuck. You elect a President, you don't elect a list. Most nominations need to be confirmed by Congress, and there's election for Congress so the people have their say.
    What we need is not more lists, it's laws preventing corporations from hiring lobbyist and buying influence to have their way.
    Aww thatís cute. You still think Biden will win.

    Hope propels the caterpillar. Idiocy propels Democrats.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    Nope. Everything trump instituted will be undone post November 3rd, and this as well. Why just have a list for the Supreme Court? Why not also have a list for the 9th circuit, and all the other judicial position? And why just the judiciary? Why not have a list for the top generals, the secretary of the interior, etc, etc. Dumb as fuck. You elect a President, you don't elect a list. Most nominations need to be confirmed by Congress, and there's election for Congress so the people have their say.
    What we need is not more lists, it's laws preventing corporations from hiring lobbyist and buying influence to have their way.
    Err...they do have lists for all of that.

    The Supreme Court is an issue that has become very important in our very recent history. Thatís kinda why itís a big deal since the party you support is hell bent radically changing the country.

    Oh, you canít undue anything until January.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    Weíre not really. Youíre equating filling a judgeís seat with intentionally doing something to facilitate one party rule.
    As if the Republican Senate saying a Democratic President canít choose in his last year with 11 months left but a Republican President can with 8 weeks left isnít facilitating getting more of their party on the bench.

    If the Democrats can lawfully pass an increase to the number of justices and give Biden 2 picks right off the bat, thatís substantively no different than the GOP doing anything in their power to put conservative choices on.

    If Democrats werenít letting Trump pick right now, but then let Biden pick 4 years from now your head would rightfully explode.


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    You left out that the Republican President also has a Republican Senate which was McConnell’s point.

    Btw, where are all the people who were screaming that Obama should get his nomination and a Senate vote? I remember a hell of a lot more people being vocal on this.
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    Nadler just tweeted this...

    “If Sen. McConnell and @SenateGOP were to force through a nominee during the lame duck session—before a new Senate and President can take office—then the incoming Senate should immediately move to expand the Supreme Court,”

    See that? Do you see any mention of the House?

    Nope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    You left out that the Republican President also has a Republican Senate which was McConnellís point.

    Btw, where are all the people who were screaming that Obama should get his nomination and a Senate vote? I remember a hell of a lot more people being vocal on this.
    Obama should have got his nominee, where were all the people okay with what McConnel is going to do now screaming that Obama should have been given the same right

    As much as people want to say Orangeman bad, thereís a whole lot of Obama man bad to

    If you were okay with Obamaís nominee being blocked then, you should be supporting blocking it now, but that will never ever happen because this way conservatives get he court they want.

    Thatís fine, just donít be upset if the Democrats get in power and retaliate, because there will come a point that happens. Just like when the Democrats went nuclear on the fillibuster, thatís come back to haunt them, this will come back on the Republicans and you can bet on that.

    Either way, in my opinion if you support what was done in 2016 and are okay with pushing it through now, itís hypocritical, which in the scheme of politics means nothing, but these are things that tend to hurt much more years down the line


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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    Err...they do have lists for all of that.

    The Supreme Court is an issue that has become very important in our very recent history. That’s kinda why it’s a big deal since the party you support is hell bent radically changing the country.

    Oh, you can’t undue anything until January.
    There won't be a radical change, except undoing the craziness trump is responsible for. The government will follow science more, and lunatics less. Less tweets. But in order for the "radical left" to have their way, you'd need them to be supported by 70 or 80% of the country. That's what it would take to overcome a political system stacked against progressive, lobbyist influencing each vote, etc, etc. I see a return to a somewhat of an Obama-era status quo, which was neither socialist or communist.
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    “Follow science more”

    Yeah, the party that says that a man can menstruate and give birth is now going to “follow science more”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mean Streets View Post
    Obama should have got his nominee, where were all the people okay with what McConnel is going to do now screaming that Obama should have been given the same right

    As much as people want to say Orangeman bad, thereís a whole lot of Obama man bad to

    If you were okay with Obamaís nominee being blocked then, you should be supporting blocking it now, but that will never ever happen because this way conservatives get he court they want.

    Thatís fine, just donít be upset if the Democrats get in power and retaliate, because there will come a point that happens. Just like when the Democrats went nuclear on the fillibuster, thatís come back to haunt them, this will come back on the Republicans and you can bet on that.

    Either way, in my opinion if you support what was done in 2016 and are okay with pushing it through now, itís hypocritical, which in the scheme of politics means nothing, but these are things that tend to hurt much more years down the line


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    I said there are legit arguments being made.

    Let me ask you, do you see ANY difference between 2016 and now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    I said there are legit arguments being made.

    Let me ask you, do you see ANY difference between 2016 and now?
    The big difference I see is timing, right now voting is already under way, in 2016, we didnít even know the candidates yet.
    I see Obama was being re-elected, Trump is running for re election.
    But the big difference seems to be back then Republicans were okay with a vacant spot on the bench for a year, but now not okay with a vacancy for a few months. I think if this had happened in March, Iíd still be upset but I could understand that more. 6 weeks out from an election though, that everyone seems confident he will win? Why canít it wait 6 weeks? Because a majority may be lost in the Senate, thatís why. But those are the differences I see, Iím certainly open to read about differences you see.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mean Streets View Post
    The big difference I see is timing, right now voting is already under way, in 2016, we didn’t even know the candidates yet.
    I see Obama was being re-elected, Trump is running for re election.
    But the big difference seems to be back then Republicans were okay with a vacant spot on the bench for a year, but now not okay with a vacancy for a few months. I think if this had happened in March, I’d still be upset but I could understand that more. 6 weeks out from an election though, that everyone seems confident he will win? Why can’t it wait 6 weeks? Because a majority may be lost in the Senate, that’s why. But those are the differences I see, I’m certainly open to read about differences you see.


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    Obama was not being re-elected, he was in his final year.

    One reason for not waiting is having a full bench because of the coming election. There is no way around the fact that this election will head to the Supreme Court. The seeds have already been planted with vote by mail. States are being sued right now and we haven’t even voted yet.

    Allowing votes to be counted days or weeks after Election Day is going to be a disaster. Let’s hope these types of things get overturned before then. Right now though you can bet it’s going to be a shit fest
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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    You left out that the Republican President also has a Republican Senate which was McConnellís point.

    Btw, where are all the people who were screaming that Obama should get his nomination and a Senate vote? I remember a hell of a lot more people being vocal on this.
    Yeah, McConnell is saying that now. Didnít say anything about that in 2016.

    ďThe American people are perfectly capable of having their say on this issue, so let's give them a voice. Let's let the American people decide. The Senate will appropriately revisit the matter when it considers the qualifications of the nominee the next president nominates, whoever that might be.Ē Mitch McConnell, March, 2016.

    Again, heís making excuses that allow Republicans to feel better about this, but that no one else buys, not moderates and not Democrats.

    Those people who thought Obama should get his vote have switched sides, too, yes. Good luck convincing most of America theyíre the ones acting in bad faith as opposed to simply asking Republicans to follow the precedent they set. It will feel more like the latter for most people.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    Obama was not being re-elected, he was in his final year.

    One reason for not waiting is having a full bench because of the coming election. There is no way around the fact that this election will head to the Supreme Court. The seeds have already been planted with vote by mail. States are being sued right now and we havenít even voted yet.

    Allowing votes to be counted days or weeks after Election Day is going to be a disaster. Letís hope these types of things get overturned before then. Right now though you can bet itís going to be a shit fest
    Sorry had a typo there I meant Obama was not being re elected
    I understand the concerns with the election, they are on both sides, but even nominated someone now, I donít see anyway they are confirmed before the election in order to have a full court.
    There will be no way the Dems will allow a speedy confirmation. But I agree with you, no matter who wins in a few weeks, the other side is going to cry foul. The only way to avoid that is an overwhelming landslide victory with heavy ballot voting out numbering the possible mail in counts


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