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    Not what I meant. A lot of your right wing groups officially organize, they come up with a name, they have some type of charter or other organizational documents, they have an organizational structure with lines of authority, they have repetitive meeting locations, etc. It's more out front, it is easier to track for law enforcement from a distance.

    Left wing groups tend to do things more under the radar, not as up front about it, if you want to say, they are a little more cloak and dagger about it. To get a handle on what they are doing, you really need to have someone on the inside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Not what I meant. A lot of your right wing groups officially organize, they come up with a name, they have some type of charter or other organizational documents, they have an organizational structure with lines of authority, they have repetitive meeting locations, etc. It's more out front, it is easier to track for law enforcement from a distance.

    Left wing groups tend to do things more under the radar, not as up front about it, if you want to say, they are a little more cloak and dagger about it. To get a handle on what they are doing, you really need to have someone on the inside.
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    A lot of your right wing groups have ex LEO and military in their ranks, so they organize themselves in a way that is familiar to them, and they are more up front about it. Just in general, doesn't apply to every group.

    Members of left wing groups tend to be individuals on the fringes of society, people who haven't gotten a paycheck in their entire life.
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    I agree to an extent but its not the past liberal groups or what you would have thought during WACO. The left is far more engrained in social media. They are supported by far left groups around the world and like our extreme right also have military members in there. Its not like a ton of hacky sack kicking college kids. Its far more than that

    Sure seems to me they actually have more of their shit together than the right. What does the right have? Jan 6? One day. Shit the left is out there killing it every week doing shit.

    They burned our country during a summer. Every freaking day there were organize protests. Where does their money come from? Not from some kids selling spinners as a fund raiser.

    I do agree back in the day, the far right were more organized but its not that case anymore.

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    Hamas-friendly protest groups bankrolled by Democratic dark money juggernaut Tides
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    Anti-Israel activist hubs leading protests sympathetic to Hamas across the United States after the terror group's recent deadly attack against the Jewish state can thank an influential left-wing dark money nexus for helping to keep their lights on, documents show.

    The Tides Foundation and Tides Center, two affiliated deep-pocketed nonprofit organizations that have long shaped the progressive agenda with philanthropist backers such as George Soros and Bill Gates, granted at least $1 million combined in 2022 to groups behind demonstrations pushing for an Israel-Gaza conflict ceasefire and downplaying Palestinian terror in the Middle East, according to newly filed tax forms reviewed by the Washington Examiner.

    The cash transfers, which have not been previously reported, underscore how behemoth charities with ties to some of the wealthiest liberal billionaires on the planet have continued to shovel large sums into the coffers of anti-Israel groups — many of which have celebrated or shared affiliations with Hamas, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, and other terror groups. Some protests in the U.S. and overseas after the Oct. 7 attack on Israel have turned violent, including one in mid-November outside the Democratic National Committee in Washington, D.C.

    "There are far too many progressive causes that have thrown their arms around pro-Hamas, pro-PFLF, pro-violent factions, and we are seeing the impact of it on American campuses and on the streets of major American cities," said Jonathan Schanzer, senior research vice president at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies think tank and former Treasury Department terrorism finance analyst. "And there will need to be a reckoning. There is clearly something wrong with the ecosystem where these various foundations thrive."

    The Tides Foundation and Tides Center, which share a San Francisco office and reported more than $1 billion in combined assets on 2022 tax forms, are part of a broader nexus that "has mobilized $4 billion for social change" and "supported more than 1,400 fiscally sponsored projects" since 1976, according to its website. That nexus has come under the spotlight for facilitating a dark money pass-through system in which wealthy Democrats can pump donations into initiatives housed under Tides, which moved its fiscal sponsorship services from the foundation to the center in 1996, according to the conservative Capital Research Center think tank. For instance, the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, which has faced legal scrutiny for a lack of financial transparency, was notably sponsored in the past by the Tides Center, according to documents filed with the California Justice Department in 2020.

    Fiscal sponsorship is an arrangement in which a charity allows a project to share its IRS tax-exempt status and receive services including donation processing, payroll, health insurance, legal oversight, and human resources. It also has the effect of obscuring sources for charitable donations to and from groups under the parent organization's umbrella, given projects do not have to file their own financial disclosures.

    Newly filed 2022 tax forms show the Tides Foundation and Tides Center combined to steer more than $303,000 to Alliance for Global Justice, a charity in Arizona revealed through a Washington Examiner investigation to maintain ties to Palestinian terrorism. And those grants add to the millions of dollars that have flowed in recent years from Tides to AFGJ, which, this year alone, saw a swath of payment processors and liberal foundations cut ties with the nonprofit group.

    Legal experts have accused AFGJ of providing "material support to terrorism" in violation of federal law because it sponsors the Samidoun Palestinian Prisoner Solidarity Network, an Israeli-designated terror group that has shared staffers with the PFLP. Another reason is that AFGJ recently raised money for Collectif Palestine Vaincra, a Samidoun coalition member described on its website as a partner of the PFLP.

    On the heels of Oct. 7, Collectif Palestine Vaincra and Samidoun have been mobilizing protesters against Israel on social media and posting event flyers. Samidoun was banned in Germany in October after its activists reportedly passed out candy to people in celebration of terror, while German authorities last week raided four properties related to Samidoun, Reuters reported.

    The Tides Foundation and Tides Center also moved $132,000 in 2022 to WESPAC Foundation, a New York City-based nonprofit group sponsoring various anti-Israel projects leading demonstrations, tax forms show.

    WESPAC Foundation, which has campaigned to free the long-imprisoned PFLP terror leader Ahmad Saadat, houses the Palestinian Youth Movement, "a transnational, independent, grassroots movement" that over the years on social media has celebrated PFLP leaders, including Leila Khaled, the Washington Examiner reported. Moreover, WESPAC sponsors the U.S. Palestinian Community Network, a project that calls on its website for the release of imprisoned PFLP members, including Khalida Jarrar.

    Another WESPAC sponsor is Students for Justice in Palestine, a decentralized coalition of pro-Palestinian activists on U.S. college campuses who have glorified terror against Jews and supported Hamas, the PFLP, Hezbollah, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a 2017 report by the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs think tank found. The Palestinian Youth Movement, the U.S. Palestinian Community Network, and Students for Justice in Palestine, for instance, were all original co-leaders of the Nov. 4 pro-Palestinian national march in Washington that saw antisemitic graffiti and at least one arrest, flyers show.

    The Tides-linked funding to these groups raises questions about the original sources behind "propaganda and intimidation, and often violent attacks in the U.S. against Jews," said Gerald Steinberg, president of the Israeli watchdog group NGO Monitor.

    "We've seen a number of reports which appear to be entirely credible of foreign governments providing funding to American 501(c)(3)s and related organizations, for example, the revelation that Qatar reportedly provided $3.75 million to Human Rights Watch in 2018," said Steinberg, emeritus political studies professor at Israel's Bar Ilan University.

    Code Pink, a left-wing antiwar group that issued a statement on Oct. 8 calling Palestinian resistance against Israel a human right, received a $104,000 check in 2022 from the Tides Foundation, tax forms show.

    Since the Middle East conflict initiated by Hamas attacking Israel, where more than 1,200 people have been killed, Code Pink has been hosting pro-Palestinian rallies and downplaying violence against Jews, according to a Washington Examiner review of its statements and social media activity. Code Pink also boosted the falsehood pushed by Hamas in October that Israel bombed a hospital in Gaza and killed hundreds of people, despite the U.S. and Israel reviewing intelligence showing the blast was caused by a failed Palestinian rocket and occurred in a parking lot, not a hospital.

    In 2022, the Tides Foundation also granted $41,000 to If Not Now and $61,000 to Jewish Voices for Peace, two anti-Israel organizations that co-sponsored the violent November protest outside the DNC. If Not Now blamed Israel for the Hamas-led attack on Oct. 7, declaring in a statement, "We cannot and will not say today's actions by Palestinian militants are unprovoked," while Jewish Voices for Peace said that same fatal day, "Israeli apartheid and occupation — and United States complicity in that oppression — are the source of all this violence."

    Then there's Sunrise Movement, a group "building a movement of young people to stop climate change" and demanding a Middle East conflict ceasefire. The group also endorsed the Nov. 4 national march in Washington. Sunrise Movement Education Fund, a charity, pocketed $335,000 in 2022 from the Tides Foundation, tax forms show.

    Sunrise Movement reposted If Not Now's Oct. 7 statement on social media blaming Israel for the Hamas-led attack, and it regularly accuses Israel of genocide for defending itself against Hamas. The nonprofit group is circulating a "Showing up for Palestine" toolkit that instructs the public to contact their representatives and email the New York Times editorial board to demand an Israel-Gaza ceasefire.

    The toolkit includes links to other anti-Israel petitions and resources posted on social media by Jewish Voice for Peace, Palestinian Youth Movement, If Not Now, and other groups, according to a Washington Examiner review.

    "The protests and disruptions we have been seeing, funded by Tides, are very clearly pro-Hamas, and they are the furthest thing from grassroots," said Parker Thayer, an investigative researcher for Capital Research Center. "They are funded and coordinated from a national organizing hub that is designed to obscure the sources of funding. It’s reprehensible."


    As for other donations, the Tides Center sent $35,000 in 2022 to the Florida chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, which has been accused of sharing ties to Hamas and, on Oct. 9, blamed the "Israeli government’s apartheid policies" for the attack initiated two days earlier.

    Tides Advocacy, another dark money group affiliated with the Tides nexus, pumped $300,000 into Emgage Action, tax forms show.

    Emgage Action claims Israel is an "apartheid state" and its CEO, Wa'el N. Alzayat, attended a Nov. 15 Biden administration meeting with "national Muslim, Arab, and Sikh organization leaders" on "the alarming rise of Islamophobia and anti-Arab hate in schools and colleges," according to the Education Department.



    Joining Alzayat was Lina Assi, advocacy manager for the anti-Israel group Palestine Legal and a longtime celebrator of Hamas-led acts of terror against Israel, the Washington Examiner reported.

    The Tides Foundation and Tides Center did not reply to requests for comment.


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    Trump visits Manhattan court to blast NYAG case, praises appellate ruling in his favor

    A New York appeals court ruled in favor of the Trump Org on Thursday while the Manhattan civil fraud trial proceeds

    December 7, 2023 12:54pm EST




    Former President Donald Trump called the non-jury New York civil trial against him and his business a "weaponization of justice," and again bashed the proceedings and lawsuit brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James as "election interference."

    Trump appeared in court on Thursday, days before he is expected to take the stand in the trial for a second time on Monday.

    Trump reacted to Thursday morning testimony from a defense expert witness, New York University accounting professor Eli Bartov, who reviewed the Trump financial statements at issue in the case and said he found no evidence of accounting fraud.

    Bartov testified that Trump’s financial statements didn’t violate accounting principles, and he suggested that anything problematic — like a huge year-to-year leap in the estimated value of his Trump Tower penthouse — was simply an error.

    "My main finding is that there is no evidence whatsoever of any accounting fraud," Bartov testified. Trump’s financial statements, he said, "were not materially misstated."

    Trump, reacting to that testimony during a court break, said Bartov is a "highly respected man."

    "I don't know him, but he's an expert witness. And he found no fraud whatsoever. He found no accounting fraud whatsoever," Trump said. "And like everyone else, he said, ‘What are we doing here?’ What are we doing here? This is a political witch hunt. This is meant to influence an election. This also comes from the White House. This is not just a state matter because the White House is controlling district attorneys."

    Trump added: "This case should be over. This case should never have been brought."

    The former president, again, characterized the case as a "weaponization of justice."

    "This is something that nobody's ever seen to this extent is called election interference," Trump said. "It's a sad day for our country that if things like this can take place."

    The former president and 2024 Republican presidential front-runner added: "I'm sitting in a courthouse instead of being in Iowa where I should be, even though I'm leading by about 40 points."


    Meanwhile, during Trump's time in court on Thursday, a New York State Appeals Court on Thursday affirmed an October decision that paused the dissolution of the Trump Organization until after the trial is complete.

    The New York Appellate Division in October temporarily halted the dissolution of some of the former president’s most valuable properties amid the civil fraud trial.


    That ruling paused a September pre-trial ruling made by Judge Arthur Engoron, who found that Trump and his family business committed fraud. That order stripped the Trump family of certain properties, like Trump Tower and 40 Wall St.

    Trump, who appeared in Manhattan court Thursday, said the ruling was a victory for business.

    "The appellate division, New York State, just gave us a very good ruling," he said. "Appreciate it. I think the country appreciates it."

    "Businesses are watching this case. No business will move back into New York. No business will, frankly, stay in New York. A lot of businesses are talking about leaving New York," Trump continued.

    The trial, which Engoron is presiding over, stems from James’ lawsuit against Trump, his family and his businesses. James accused Trump of inflating his financial statements and deceiving banks.


    James filed the lawsuit against Trump "under a consumer protection statute that denies the right to a jury," a Trump spokesperson told Fox News Digital.

    "There was never an option to choose a jury trial," the spokesperson said. "It is unfortunate that a jury won’t be able to hear how absurd the merits of this case are and conclude no wrongdoing ever happened."

    Trump and his family have denied any wrongdoing. The former president has repeatedly said his assets were actually undervalued. Trump has repeatedly said his financial statements had disclaimers, requesting that the numbers be evaluated by the banks.


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    "Election interference." lol oh, the irony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy812 View Post
    "Election interference." lol oh, the irony.
    LOL

    The funny part is you thinking there is any.


    Btw, nothing to say about the court ruling? Weren’t you one of the ones praising the judge for declaring there was fraud before the trial started and screaming that he lied about the value of his home?

    Sorry in advance If you weren’t . But I know of at least one goofball here who thought that was perfectly fine, dandy, legal, and accurate.

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    Smart. He's getting wiser. That's a good sign.

    Trump says he will not testify at his civil fraud trial

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...il-fraud-trial

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    Because he is a horrible risk for an attorney to have on a witness stand. The man is under 91 indictments.

    He is known to stretch the truth to ridiculous proportions and downright lie, and he loses his temper, there is no way any competent attorney would put him on the stand.
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    It just points to another example of being the top dog and knowing it. Letting his ego take a back seat and knowing himself. Just like the debates. It was a smart move in his case.

    He's lying low but still getting in his zingers. Still being himself and stoll on top. That guy isn't worried about ANY indictment.

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    No attorney worth his salt advises his client to take the stand.

    91 is also misleading. You take one and chop it up into three and on and on. Makes a better read.
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    Both Trump and the prosecution asked for summary judgement by the judge in this fraud case. It's done when there are no facts for a jury to decide. Trump's defense was, for example, claiming "the calculation of square footage is a subjective process..." and one person could have the "opinion" it's 11,000 (the actual size of his building) and another could have the opinion it is 30,000 (his declared size) "based on the method employed to conduct calculation." Judge's can declare things like a 19,000 square foot discrepancy isn't a difference of a opinion for a jury to decide which is fact. A judge can say, no, square footage is objective and it's objectively 11,000.

    We can argue about whether the NY law should be the NY law. If there are no victims, it probably shouldn't be. That's not what those who repeatedly call for "Law and Order!!" think, and Trump is one of those people. He has written, spoken, and tweeted about law and order and how we must have it since the 1980s. He's called the Republicans the party of law and order. Commit the crime, do the time.

    The law in this case, as interpreted by the courts, says victimhood doesn't matter. To establish a violation of that statute, says the judge, one "need only prove" that "the SFCs were false and misleading" and that "the defendants repeatedly or persistently used the SFCs to transact business." (SFC=statements of financial condition).

    Multiple things can be true. It can be true that Trump broke the law, that lots of other people do, too, and are not charged. It may also be true that it shouldn't be against the law. But "law and order" can't be about what team you play for. Nearly 40% of the people who lie on the ATF gun form and referred for prosecution are not charged. Those in Hunter Biden's situation, when he was indicted, are usually not charged. But the "Law and Order!" people were very clear--if Hunter broke the law, he should be punished, even if they often aren't.

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    Special counsel Jack Smith calls on Supreme Court to rule on Trump immunity claim

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/spe...immunity-claim

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    Special counsel Jack Smith calls on Supreme Court to rule on Trump immunity claim

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/spe...immunity-claim
    Seems like a pretty big gamble by Smith. Although I'd guess the SCOTUS would rule no one is above the law or simply not take up the ruling at all, if they rule a President *is* above the law, it not only would be favorable ruling crippling the most significant cases against Trump but would also set a dangerous precedent for future Presidents to pull a lot of bad shit.

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