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    Quote Originally Posted by NDL View Post
    To which laws do you refer?



    What don't you like about DeSantis?

    What concerns you?

    I personally think FL is well run, but I think he'd be over his head as President.
    One, the Stop WOKE Act. It's been blocked by federal courts twice, and rightly so, which went so far as to regulate the speech of college professors and private business. Another, S.B. 7072, forces private entities to allow speech on their property that they do not agree with. H.B. 1557, colloquially referred to as the "Don't Say Gay" law, has had many critics go overboard, which hurts the cause of people with less outrage-based critiques. In no way do I think we should teach sex ed to Kindergarteners (already illegal in FL). But the language is extremely vague, which is a problem. It's sold as a parental rights bill, but it actually empowers unelected bureaucrats to set standards, not parents. The intention of this paragraph:

    A parent of a student may bring an action against a school district to obtain a declaratory judgment that a school district procedure or practice violates this paragraph and seek injunctive relief. A court may award damages and shall award reasonable attorney fees and court costs to a parent who receives declaratory or injunctive relief.

    is to allow culture war lawsuits by organizations using parents as surrogates. Because there is no definition of what is appropriate, it puts schools on the defensive for any possible discussion/lesson/event that a parent could sue over. It's what I would call "soft" censorship. Since just about anything could be a reason to sue, you silence conversations out of fear of lawsuits. We have already seen this play out with laws about critical race theory in schools and plain old Black history being called "critical race theory" to keep it from being taught. Authorizing parental lawsuits shows it isn't about setting appropriate boundaries. It doesn't have parents give input on appropriateness, of which there would be varying degress. Instead, it authorizes the most conservative parents to silence discussions other parents actually may want.

    Those are just the major ones I know about. Then there is threatening Disney for exercising its speech rights. It turns out, what is likely going to happen, is they are going to replace Disney's deal with a new version that is cosmetically different, but functionally identical, so DeSantis gets a political win and business as usual continues around Disney World. But it still could change and government shouldn't punish speech it disagrees with. Finally, there is using Florida money to fly asylum seekers from Texas to Martha's Vineyard under false pretenses/flat out lies. Government shouldn't be using the weakest among us as political pawns for showboating.

    At the same time, he is better than Trump for several reasons, and Florida is doing well. So he is a mixed bag. But the speech stuff is fairly chilling.

    BTW, DeSantis isn't alone on this. NY has a new, awful speech law, targeting speech the state dislikes, even if protected speech. That's pretty bad.
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    Welp, Nick Fuentes may not be the most problematic part of that dinner at Mar a lago, now. Kanye and Fuentes were on Alex Jones' show today.

    Kanye said, "I see good things about Hitler .... Every human being has something of value that they brought to the table, especially Hitler." Jones replies that the Nazis were thugs. Kanye retorted, "But they did good things too. We gotta stop dissing the Nazis all the time."

    Later, Kanye said, "I love Jewish people. But I also love Nazis."

    Jones tries to help Kanye and gives him a chance to say he actually doens't love Hitler. Kanye says, "There's a lot of things that I love about Hitler. A lot of things."

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    Kanye is mentally ill.

    He might be a racist, but to go around saying what he says, the cheese is off the cracker.
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    Kanye better watch out or will be in the 'I barely know him' club of trump
    Dealing with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    One, the Stop WOKE Act. It's been blocked by federal courts twice, and rightly so, which went so far as to regulate the speech of college professors and private business. Another, S.B. 7072, forces private entities to allow speech on their property that they do not agree with. H.B. 1557, colloquially referred to as the "Don't Say Gay" law, has had many critics go overboard, which hurts the cause of people with less outrage-based critiques. In no way do I think we should teach sex ed to Kindergarteners (already illegal in FL). But the language is extremely vague, which is a problem. It's sold as a parental rights bill, but it actually empowers unelected bureaucrats to set standards, not parents. The intention of this paragraph:


    is to allow culture war lawsuits by organizations using parents as surrogates. Because there is no definition of what is appropriate, it puts schools on the defensive for any possible discussion/lesson/event that a parent could sue over. It's what I would call "soft" censorship. Since just about anything could be a reason to sue, you silence conversations out of fear of lawsuits. We have already seen this play out with laws about critical race theory in schools and plain old Black history being called "critical race theory" to keep it from being taught. Authorizing parental lawsuits shows it isn't about setting appropriate boundaries. It doesn't have parents give input on appropriateness, of which there would be varying degress. Instead, it authorizes the most conservative parents to silence discussions other parents actually may want.

    Those are just the major ones I know about. Then there is threatening Disney for exercising its speech rights. It turns out, what is likely going to happen, is they are going to replace Disney's deal with a new version that is cosmetically different, but functionally identical, so DeSantis gets a political win and business as usual continues around Disney World. But it still could change and government shouldn't punish speech it disagrees with. Finally, there is using Florida money to fly asylum seekers from Texas to Martha's Vineyard under false pretenses/flat out lies. Government shouldn't be using the weakest among us as political pawns for showboating.

    At the same time, he is better than Trump for several reasons, and Florida is doing well. So he is a mixed bag. But the speech stuff is fairly chilling.

    BTW, DeSantis isn't alone on this. NY has a new, awful speech law, targeting speech the state dislikes, even if protected speech. That's pretty bad.
    LM, we live in a litigious society now. Every person can can sue anyone and probably win. It’s just the nature of people.

    I like what DeSantis is doing. Is he perfect? Hell no. But that state has its shit together. States run like California’s liberal experiment are not a good thing. As a parent and as an American I don’t like it. (Not a knock on people in California)

    I am Old Testament. I don’t like the way society and humans as a whole are progressing. I’m for equality but I’m tired of shit being rammed down our throats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fudd View Post
    LM, we live in a litigious society now. Every person can can sue anyone and probably win. It’s just the nature of people.

    I like what DeSantis is doing. Is he perfect? Hell no. But that state has its shit together. States run like California’s liberal experiment are not a good thing. As a parent and as an American I don’t like it. (Not a knock on people in California)

    I am Old Testament. I don’t like the way society and humans as a whole are progressing. I’m for equality but I’m tired of shit being rammed down our throats.

    Just let people be. Kids, parents, cars, gasoline. Just let it ride.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    One, the Stop WOKE Act. It's been blocked by federal courts twice, and rightly so, which went so far as to regulate the speech of college professors and private business. Another, S.B. 7072, forces private entities to allow speech on their property that they do not agree with. H.B. 1557, colloquially referred to as the "Don't Say Gay" law, has had many critics go overboard, which hurts the cause of people with less outrage-based critiques. In no way do I think we should teach sex ed to Kindergarteners (already illegal in FL). But the language is extremely vague, which is a problem. It's sold as a parental rights bill, but it actually empowers unelected bureaucrats to set standards, not parents. The intention of this paragraph:


    is to allow culture war lawsuits by organizations using parents as surrogates. Because there is no definition of what is appropriate, it puts schools on the defensive for any possible discussion/lesson/event that a parent could sue over. It's what I would call "soft" censorship. Since just about anything could be a reason to sue, you silence conversations out of fear of lawsuits. We have already seen this play out with laws about critical race theory in schools and plain old Black history being called "critical race theory" to keep it from being taught. Authorizing parental lawsuits shows it isn't about setting appropriate boundaries. It doesn't have parents give input on appropriateness, of which there would be varying degress. Instead, it authorizes the most conservative parents to silence discussions other parents actually may want.

    Those are just the major ones I know about. Then there is threatening Disney for exercising its speech rights. It turns out, what is likely going to happen, is they are going to replace Disney's deal with a new version that is cosmetically different, but functionally identical, so DeSantis gets a political win and business as usual continues around Disney World. But it still could change and government shouldn't punish speech it disagrees with. Finally, there is using Florida money to fly asylum seekers from Texas to Martha's Vineyard under false pretenses/flat out lies. Government shouldn't be using the weakest among us as political pawns for showboating.

    At the same time, he is better than Trump for several reasons, and Florida is doing well. So he is a mixed bag. But the speech stuff is fairly chilling.

    BTW, DeSantis isn't alone on this. NY has a new, awful speech law, targeting speech the state dislikes, even if protected speech. That's pretty bad.
    Thank you for taking the time to educate me

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    Welp, Nick Fuentes may not be the most problematic part of that dinner at Mar a lago, now. Kanye and Fuentes were on Alex Jones' show today.

    Kanye said, "I see good things about Hitler .... Every human being has something of value that they brought to the table, especially Hitler." Jones replies that the Nazis were thugs. Kanye retorted, "But they did good things too. We gotta stop dissing the Nazis all the time."

    Later, Kanye said, "I love Jewish people. But I also love Nazis."

    Jones tries to help Kanye and gives him a chance to say he actually doens't love Hitler. Kanye says, "There's a lot of things that I love about Hitler. A lot of things."
    Ahh...

    (I know that you wouldn't joke about something like this, but what he said is so outlandishly preposterous...it's beyond baffling)
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    Quote Originally Posted by NDL View Post
    Thank you for taking the time to educate me



    Ahh...

    (I know that you wouldn't joke about something like this, but what he said is so outlandishly preposterous...it's beyond baffling)
    Today was enough for the GOP to delete an October tweet that I believe just said something like, "Kanye. Elon. Trump." If Kanye hadn't ruined his career already, he did today. And then not too long ago, he tweeted a picture of a Star of David with a swastika inside of it with the caption, "YE24 LOVE EVERYONE #LOVESPEECH." My God.

    I get he's not mentally well and in a manic state, but does no one around him care about him? I suppose he has just surrounded himself with yes men. Kind of reminds me of the demise of Scott Weiland in a weird way. He just pushed away everyone who cared about him and brought in a bunch of yes men making money off of him and doing drugs with him until he died. Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    Today was enough for the GOP to delete an October tweet that I believe just said something like, "Kanye. Elon. Trump." If Kanye hadn't ruined his career already, he did today. And then not too long ago, he tweeted a picture of a Star of David with a swastika inside of it with the caption, "YE24 LOVE EVERYONE #LOVESPEECH." My God.

    I get he's not mentally well and in a manic state, but does no one around him care about him? I suppose he has just surrounded himself with yes men. Kind of reminds me of the demise of Scott Weiland in a weird way. He just pushed away everyone who cared about him and brought in a bunch of yes men making money off of him and doing drugs with him until he died. Sad.
    Question is, why did the former President invite him for dinner last month, and then why that nefarious person still has a modicum of support, even amongst the noble patrons of this forum.
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    Here’s the thing nobody really cares that he is saying this stuff because people just love to watch a car wreck. If they really cared about what he was saying, they would stop giving him a place to say it. He’s still in the media all the time, and is getting interviewed all the time. It’s very easy to stop hearing from him. Stop putting him on TV or on podcasts or whatever. But that won’t happen. It gives them ratings. And some probably agree with him too. Which is bad enough.

    Kanye West isn’t the biggest problem. The bigger problem is the assholes that enable him by putting him all over the airwaves. But free speech. Because as Americans, we should absolutely be trumpeting (pun intended) the freedoms of a guy running around saying “Hitler is great, the Holocaust didn’t happen, and I love Nazis” everywhere. Yeehaw! Funny how he thinks the Jews control the media yet he’s all over the media saying antisemitic shit day and night ‘til his heart’s content. Oh, the irony.

    As a black man, does he really not understand how much Nazis and Hitler would hate him? The Nazis that are running around must laugh at the fact that the poster child for their cause is a black man.
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    The guy is definitely mentally ill. Reminds me a bit of former NBA player Delonte West. Guy went from starting for Lebrons first run with the Cavs. Decent player. Not great but a little above average. Then started to bang Gloria James and it all went down hill. Was on a bike with shotguns in the bags and eventually ended up homeless. Mark Cuban helped him out a few years ago, got him into rehab, etc but now he is back on the streets. Had several mental disorders. People like that need help and if they don't get it, well they will derail

    So going to look at him, waht he has said, etc in that lens. Like a person who is criminaly insane who kills somebody. Still guilty, still should be punished, etc however definitely not in a good place.

    He is done. The thing about him is when you are person like this, its hard to imagine when he is around Donald its all formal, filtered, etc. I can't imagine him and Daisy Fuentes having a dinner a few days ago and he is discussing his new album.

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    Kanye reminds me of this skit

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    Daisy Fuentes? What the hell has she have to do with anything? last I heard she despises Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    Question is, why did the former President invite him for dinner last month, and then why that nefarious person still has a modicum of support, even amongst the noble patrons of this forum.
    Because he has/had a relationship with him. When Mel Gibson flipped out and said what he said he lost a lot of Jewish friends. He also kept a lot of them too.

    Kanye came over and brought that asshole with him. From all accounts of everyone involved Trump had no idea who he was. Why was he brought? You all said it yourselves , he’s nuts.

    You ask why people support Trump. That’s an odd question for you to ask. Why did you support Obama and Hillary?
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