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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    Absolutely this.

    The whole lets stop this dude because he rode a bike on a sidewalk is THE stupidest shit a cop can do. If i was a cop i would be disgusted with myself for being so fucking bored that I felt the need to stop somebody for that or jaywalking.

    My superiors would be like you don't write tickets.

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    The revenue generating aspect of "laws" does nothing to help decrease the antagonistic view between law enforcement and citizen.
    Cops will say until they're blue in the face they don't have quotas on tickets, they do, they don't call it a quota but that's what it is. They can't drive around all day long and come back with two speeding tickets
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    Quote Originally Posted by rchop84 View Post
    Cops will say until they're blue in the face they don't have quotas on tickets, they do, they don't call it a quota but that's what it is. They can't drive around all day long and come back with two speeding tickets
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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    But it's a two-way street. You see flashing lights behind and you keep driving the cops first thought isn't gonna be "he's doing this so he can be in a safer well-lit area". So if you're gonna do that, then calmly get out of the car when you get to the well-lit area. End of the day though, the cops shouldn't have pepper sprayed the dude who was zero threat at the time and I shall assume that cop was canned.
    You are allowed to drive to a place you feel safe to pull over. He slowed down, turned on his hazards, and drove to a well lit area.

    Cops should know he is allowed to do that.

    Once they got to a well lit area, saw that his license plate was up in the back window, saw that he was military personnel, and saw that he was calm, there is no plausible reason for them to pull their weapons on him.

    And then, they fucking pepper sprayed the guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    But it's a two-way street. You see flashing lights behind and you keep driving the cops first thought isn't gonna be "he's doing this so he can be in a safer well-lit area". So if you're gonna do that, then calmly get out of the car when you get to the well-lit area. End of the day though, the cops shouldn't have pepper sprayed the dude who was zero threat at the time and I shall assume that cop was canned.
    It was still just a traffic stop for a license plate infraction. The guy drove 100 seconds longer...slowly to a well-lit, public place.

    That doesn’t elevate him to a lethal threat warranting of guns being drawn in his direction. The cops needed to proceed with the traffic stop as they normally would. License, registration, do you know why we pulled you over, etc.

    Or maybe the cops knew exactly what he was doing, why he was doing it, and they felt like humiliating him.

    What he did probably saved his life. Sad to say it, but it probably did.


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    Keep voting these dumbasses in, idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    Put more simply, a group of people are less likely to make mistakes that likely yield high costs if they're actually held accountable for making mistakes that likely yield high costs. Not saying it is an absolute, but on the whole, you'd see a reduction.
    If he doesn't follow the rules he loses his job. Besides, what you're implying is that this lady cop wasn't concerned about making a mistake that would take someone else's life because she might get sued. Despite the characterizations of evil cops out for blood we see in media, I don't believe that entered in the equation here for even a second. You might be able to make an argument that cops would be more careful to not escalate a situation if qualified immunity was taken away, however I still question how effective that would actually be. Most of these things happen because the cop has a fear for his or her life and they make a snap judgment. No one is going to change their mind on snap judgment about whether they live or die simply because there's a possibility they could get sued. That's like saying when you're driving down the highway and a car crosses the yellow line coming right at you, in that split second of a life or death decision you calculate how much insurance will cover you if you turn left to avoid it and hit another car, turn right to avoid it and hit a tree, or stay straight and hope the other care swerves back and you don't have an accident. You're going to do whatever your instinct tells you is the most likely to let you live, and that's it. Finances never enter the equation.

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    A recent review found that a FL officer is killed during a routine traffic stop somewhere between one in every 3.6 million stops to one in every 20.1 million stops. Nationally, it happens about 5-10 times per year out of 30 million stops.

    Let me be clear: those cases are tragic and should not be ignored. But we not only have this idea in our own heads, we drum it into cops' heads that any given traffic stop could be their last, despite a 0.00003% chance of death at a traffic stop, or 1 in 3 million.

    The "cops targeting unarmed Black men" is a tired, vastly inflated narrative, but so is "ambush at traffic stop."
    One of those things actually happens, the other is a made up narrative.

    I get what you're saying and I appreciate the use of data. Using your calculation, let's break it down even further though. If it's a 1 in 3 million chance a cop dies at each traffic stop, let's stretch that out for a career. Let's say the average cop makes 5 stops per day, 5 days a week, for 25 years. Suddenly that .000003% chance he loses his life turns into .01875, which means for every 100 police officers doing that, at least one, probably two, will not live to see retirement due to being killed on a traffic stop. Those aren't exactly the kind of odds that get people excited to sign up for that work.

    These are the people that run into danger on purpose because that's their job. Most of the time they aren't any more equipped to handle that danger than the average Texan, yet that's what they sign up for because that's what we ask for when we dial 911. By pulling qualified immunity you give anyone that ever has a grievance with a police officer the option to file a civil suit against that officer no matter how valid the reason is. For $350 bucks, you can file that suit against the officer and they have to lawyer up in the hopes whatever is charged against them won't hold up (with a lower threshold for proof, as you're well aware) and they're only out the time it takes for them to appear in court and potentially the lawyer fee associated with it (assuming the court doesn't ask the filer to pay the lawyer fees in their judgment). I can't understand why anyone would think that's a tenable situation.

    If you think the quality of our policing is bad now, just wait until you pull qualified immunity. For the same reason defunding the police is an near-sighted notion that leads to more crime, this would have the same result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    It was still just a traffic stop for a license plate infraction. The guy drove 100 seconds longer...slowly to a well-lit, public place.

    That doesn’t elevate him to a lethal threat warranting of guns being drawn in his direction. The cops needed to proceed with the traffic stop as they normally would. License, registration, do you know why we pulled you over, etc.

    Or maybe the cops knew exactly what he was doing, why he was doing it, and they felt like humiliating him.

    What he did probably saved his life. Sad to say it, but it probably did.


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    I don't think it saved his life - that's certainly hyperbole. You're making it sound like this cop on a daily basis pull over guys and lights them up. End of the day cop asks you to get out of your car, do it. Don't get in a discussion, just get out of the car. In this case, I'd bet you that they see the guy in uniform and it's a 30-second conversation and ends with "have a good day". Maybe I'm giving the cop too much credit but from my experience most cops don't tend to fight with people who do as they are told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    You are allowed to drive to a place you feel safe to pull over. He slowed down, turned on his hazards, and drove to a well lit area.

    Cops should know he is allowed to do that.

    Once they got to a well lit area, saw that his license plate was up in the back window, saw that he was military personnel, and saw that he was calm, there is no plausible reason for them to pull their weapons on him.

    And then, they fucking pepper sprayed the guy.

    No excuse for it in my opinion.
    Cop certainly fucked up and should be fired, also guessing this guy is gonna be making a really nice payday for his inconvenience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    I don't think it saved his life - that's certainly hyperbole. You're making it sound like this cop on a daily basis pull over guys and lights them up. End of the day cop asks you to get out of your car, do it. Don't get in a discussion, just get out of the car. In this case, I'd bet you that they see the guy in uniform and it's a 30-second conversation and ends with "have a good day". Maybe I'm giving the cop too much credit but from my experience most cops don't tend to fight with people who do as they are told.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    In this case, I'd bet you that they see the guy in uniform and it's a 30-second conversation and ends with "have a good day". Maybe I'm giving the cop too much credit but from my experience most cops don't tend to fight with people who do as they are told.
    Mike, they were staring at his uniform from the side of his vehicle. His window was completely down and they told him he should be afraid after he said, “I’m afraid.” while they had guns on him.

    They had guns on him from the second they arrived. The cops were the aggressors when they should be reacting to the situation. To think, they were just gonna go, “Oh man. You’re a soldier. Sorry about that sir. You have yourself a wonderful evening”, if he got out of the car is ridiculously hyperbolic. They obviously perceived him as a threat (hence the guns being drawn), so they would have had him on the ground in cuffs and god knows what else.

    Cops are trained to de-escalate. Not to continue upping the ante because a calm, cool, and collected individual is not getting out of his vehicle for a routine traffic stop over a license plate infraction.

    Proceed with the fucking traffic stop. He doesn’t need to get out of his vehicle at gun point. There’s no argument that cops are nicer and more pleasant if you do what they ask and 95% of the time you should do what they ask, but people have rights.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheresOnlyOneWay View Post
    Keep voting these dumbasses in, idiots.

    Democrat Rep Rashida Tlaib Calls for ‘No More Policing, Incarceration’

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    That C U Next Tuesday needs a reality check. Who's gonna save her stupid ass if a crazy goes after her? Oh yeah she is part of the government...untouchable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MD 5150 View Post
    That C U Next Tuesday needs a reality check. Who's gonna save her stupid ass if a crazy goes after her? Oh yeah she is part of the government...untouchable.
    Welp, the citizens there voted for this... Time and time again.. So, they get the blame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    There is a Grand Canyon of difference between thinking that police officers should be held to a higher standard and being anti-cop.

    A police officer confusing a weapon with a taser should never happen.

    A police officer kneeling on someone's neck until they die over a counterfeit $20 being used to buy cigarettes should never happen.

    You can want this type of behavior eliminated, and also not believe in defund the police nonsense.

    The latest example, pulling their weapons and pepper spraying a fucking Army Medic, IN UNIFORM, because they made a mistake on the license plate. That should never, ever, happen. And I used to say "no way", but yeah, I do now believe that if he had been a white guy, he doesn't get pepper sprayed.
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    The "this never happens to The white man" narrative is another bogus one.

    If the "victim" is the white it doesn't bring in the clicks, the media and the race profiteers.
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