What the hell are the Lawyers for ?

**The Van Baron** · 11.18.02, 04:53 PM

....who the hell is sueing who ?...and a lawyer has that much power to keep you duct-taped & house bound ?....sombody investigate these lawyers !.....damn it [img]graemlins/wtf.gif[/img] 5 YEARS !....sorry damn it

**The Van Baron** · 11.18.02, 05:04 PM

..... Ex singers making coin off of present & future recordings ? ?
Ed & val ?

[ November 19, 2002, 04:58 AM: Message edited by: the van baron ]

**Bob_R** · 11.18.02, 05:54 PM

I believe the main reason for the hold-up is Eddie's personal life and the fact that he can't make a decision.

<--- meaning Eddie's confused not me. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I can't believe that we haven't heard announcements and new music in a million years and lawyers are to be blamed for this silence.

But, I could be wrong. I was I think once this year. No, No, no. I wasn't wrong. I was mistaken. [img]smile.gif[/img]

**rolsguitars** · 11.18.02, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by EVH FANATIC:
I believe the main reason for the hold-up is Eddie's personal life and the fact that he can't make a decision. <--- meaning Eddie's confused not me. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I can't believe that we haven't heard announcements and new music in a million years and lawyers are to be blamed for this silence.

But, I could be wrong. I was I think once this year. No, No, no. I wasn't wrong. I was mistaken. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I'd bet it's not lawyers at all, as I have said many times before they are retired and havn't told anyone.
Rol.

**Wolfman** · 11.18.02, 08:38 PM

Allow me to play D.A. on that for a second, rol -
If VH was retired, why would Mike Anthony feel so inclined to state on his website that rumors of him no longer being in VH were false? I don't know of too many people that would make an effort to say they were a part of something that didn't exist. And don't tell me that Mike may not have been told either; regardless of the VH brothers buttoned lips as of late, I think it's reasonable to assume that Mike would have been told of retirement plans

**Romeo Delight** · 11.18.02, 08:52 PM

I don't know about right now (since it appears nothing is happening) but I would assume the lawyers were there to make sure any future dealings with a new singer (especially Dave) was done by the book and in a very legal framework. Eddie feels he has been burnt too much in the past by his singers so I assume he wanted to have everything in writing this time.

But, like I said, clearly nothing is happening right now so I don't know what the lawyers would be doing. I don't agree with the Ed-Val thing. Sure, lawyers will be there but I've never heard of people stopping working when they go through a divorce. I can't see why VH can't continue to record. Sure, Eddie doesn't want to earn $10 million before the divorce is settled since he would only get half, but he can still record and persue prospective singers. The Ed-Val thing doesn't explain the hold up in my opinion. But don't ask me what I think the real reason is, because I have no fucking idea. I think that comment about Ed being indecisive may have something to do with it!

**kenny5150** · 11.18.02, 09:16 PM

Ed has been burnt by his singers?? How do you figure??
Maybe he should have released all those albums as instrumentals?

The lawyers are smokescreen my friends - an excuse. What would they need lawyers for - a recording contract that doesn't exist?

**Daved Mikalex** · 11.18.02, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by kenny5150:
What would they need lawyers for - a recording contract that doesn't exist?

Thats a bit naive, I agree that it would be nice if they could all do things on a handshake, but in todays world, it just doesnt happen that way anymore. If Ed wanted something a particular way and Dave wanted it another, the lawyers would be brought in. Once its at that stage, it really sucks. Everytime you want to ask the other party a question, your fucking lawyer has to put it in writing and send it to the other parties lawyer.
Then the other parties lawyer discusses it with
his client.
Your reply comes back through the same channels.
If the issue is quite complicated, this can get very messy and drawn out.

I have no doubts at all that lawyers are involved. Ed stated this himself in the now infamous Golf interview.

**kenny5150** · 11.18.02, 11:27 PM

Yeah I read the golf interview, and I still say the lawyers are smokescreen man - the only person stopping anything from happening is ED.

There is no band, there is no singer, there is no record company - I say again - what have lawyers got to do it?

Jam on VH get something happening before people forget who you are - or should I say were.....

**Daved Mikalex** · 11.19.02, 01:05 AM

Point taken, and you could be right. Ed does tend to blame stuff on everything except himself. However, There are lawsuits going on. What the exact nature of these are, I have no idea.

[ November 19, 2002, 01:07 AM: Message edited by: Daved Mikalex ]

**Romeo Delight** · 11.19.02, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by kenny5150:
Ed has been burnt by his singers?? How do you figure??

I said that Ed "feels" as if he has been burnt by his singers. Who knows what really went on!

**Zahzoo** · 11.19.02, 06:17 AM

To coin a common phrase... Lawyers involvement is inevitable.

As corporate entities, Van Halen, ELVH LLC, and any other incorporated elements of the band are multi-million dollar franchises. Just the intellecual property rights alone to the music and merchandising are huge assets requiring legal protection, irregardless of any new material forthcoming.

There's a lot of valid legal reasons for the silence & holdup in new music... WB, Ray Danniels, DLR, Hagar, Cherone, etc... no telling what contractual left-overs may be growing growing mold in the 5150 fridge...

There's also a lot of personal reasons for the silence & holdup in new music. Most of which are none of our damn business!!!

No one will probably ever know all that added up to the current situation... suggest we be patient and keep following the trail of crumbs to the promised land...

**cyberfiddl** · 11.19.02, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by kenny5150:
Sorry man, I didn't mean to imply he was scared of using lawyers at all, nor that they are very, very common appendages (unfortunately) in the music business.....I was trying to say a lot of things Ed has blamed on lawyers in the last coupla years....like the lack of any musical activity, well, i just dont know if thats true.

In a nutshell, my feeling is that if Ed and Alex wanted to play with someone and get some music out then they would have.....I dont think lawyers would stop 'em!! I think its a copout!!!!

Is that a little clearer?

This planet is RUN by [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img] lawyers [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img] my friend.

**kenny5150** · 11.19.02, 06:51 AM

(sigh) Zahzoo, did you say "irregardless"?
Wouldn't be related to George Bush by any chance.......

I know everyone is right about the lawyers man...it just makes me sad. It used to be about music once upon a time........I wish it still was.

Peace from Oz.

**Zahzoo** · 11.19.02, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by kenny5150:
(sigh) Zahzoo, did you say "irregardless"?
Wouldn't be related to George Bush by any chance.......

Peace from Oz.

Nah... I'm not related to George W in any way... although I had lived in Austin, Texas for 13 years until this last summer. Some of it may have rubbed off...

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