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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Love Pale Rider.

    One thing I have always wondered, was that a continuation of a prior character in some of his spaghetti westerns?

    The last gun fight, the old man that looks kind of like what an older version of one of the main characters in the The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly (the Bad guy) would look like, and he recognizes Preacher, Clint's character right before Clint kills him.

    Have always wondered if I am missing something.
    Let me try to answer this, since I've seen both Pale Rider and The Good, Bad, and the Ugly numerous times. In Pale Rider, Clint is a ghost and was killed by Marshal Stockburn in a previous life (note the ring of bullet holes in Clint when he takes his shirt off). That's why Clint shoots the Marshal with the same ring pattern at the end of the movie and the Marshal says "You" before he gets killed.

    Same kind of story in High Plains Drifter - Clint is a ghost and comes back to get revenge. Note both in Pale Rider and HPD, Clint is riding a pale horse as in the 4th horseman of the apocalypse (sp??).

    As for The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly - Clint and Lee Van Cleef (the Bad) just know each other for being bounty hunters. Each movie - PR, HPD, GBU, and the other spaghetti westerns all have different story lines and are not linked character-wise between movies.

    Hope that helped and doesn't confuse you anymore...
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    Two more things to look for in Pale Rider - when Clint goes into meet LaHood for the 1st time and LaHood mentions there's a Marshal, blah, blah, blah... Clint says Stockburn and his deputies will cost you more than that. References Clint knowing him from before.

    Another time in the movie is when LaHood meets Marshal Stockburn and says there's a guy and something about his eyes. Stockburn says he knows of a guy like that but he is dead.
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    Yall need to watch Lonesome Dove. And then get back to me. Yes I know it wasn't a movie, but it's straight up real. Oh.....and it's burly. Out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by track 5 View Post
    Yall need to watch Lonesome Dove. And then get back to me. Yes I know it wasn't a movie, but it's straight up real. Oh.....and it's burly. Out.
    It was on this weekend and I only caught a few minutes of it. Saw all of it when it first came out. Great series...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buschman View Post
    Let me try to answer this, since I've seen both Pale Rider and The Good, Bad, and the Ugly numerous times. In Pale Rider, Clint is a ghost and was killed by Marshal Stockburn in a previous life (note the ring of bullet holes in Clint when he takes his shirt off). That's why Clint shoots the Marshal with the same ring pattern at the end of the movie and the Marshal says "You" before he gets killed.

    Same kind of story in High Plains Drifter - Clint is a ghost and comes back to get revenge. Note both in Pale Rider and HPD, Clint is riding a pale horse as in the 4th horseman of the apocalypse (sp??).
    That's a spooky interpretation of those westerns. Not sure I buy the Pale Rider one but High Plains Drifter was always a weird one to figure out. During a retelling of the killing of the marshal, he sure looked like Clint but then the townfolk didn't recognize him. Never could figure it out but then I never tried too hard.
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    "There's nothing like a nice piece of hickory",

    The Preacher in Pale Rider
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    watched young guns over the weekend and that got my juices going to re look at some of the billy the kid facts and stuff.

    -charlie bowdrie did not die as he is depicted in the movie he actually survived that shoot out at the mcsweeny house but was killed by Pat Garret in the same manner as doc Szirlock is killed in young guns 2.

    -Chavez doesn't die, he lived to be 80 or 90 as did Szirlock.

    -dirty steve was actually based on dirty dave rudubaogh (sp) when he was added to the second one they just called him Arkensas

    -billy knew Charlie and Doc before he was recruited by Tunstel, tunstel was actually only a few years older than the regulators.

    -I believe Murphy died of lung cancer and was not killed by Billy as shown in the end of the movie.

    I also watched a bit of Young Guns 2 and read a bit about Bushy Bill:

    http://www.angelfire.com/mi2/billythekid/brushy.html

    there are a bunch of links there that break down alot of things surrounding the "death" of the kid and after reading that (it shows a very unbiased report on everything surrounding the shooting of "the kid") I believe there is no way Garrett killed the kid that night. I believe he shot someone he beieved to be the kid and bullied the townspeople into sighning paperwork attesting to the fact that it was the kid. The question is asked as to why Billy would go along with this....well the answer is pretty simple. He was the most wanted man in the territory and if people actually believed he was dead alot of pressure would have been taken off of him. I don't know if Bushy Bill or John Miller (another guy who you can find on the above link) was in fact billy but I don't believe he was killed by garrett.

    Another interesting fact-Dirty Dave Rudabaough rode with the kid but he aslo rode with Curly Bill and the Cowboys in tombstone and was present at the shoot out between Curly Bill and Wyatt Earp. Dave had somehow gotten on Doc Holidays bad side as he was not the most honest gambler there was and this upset Doc. Wyatt eventually came looking for him (dont' remember why) and Doc helped Wyatt in looking for him and that's how thier friendship started (if I am remembering right).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood P. View Post
    That's a spooky interpretation of those westerns. Not sure I buy the Pale Rider one but High Plains Drifter was always a weird one to figure out. During a retelling of the killing of the marshal, he sure looked like Clint but then the townfolk didn't recognize him. Never could figure it out but then I never tried too hard.
    That's because Clint was marshal Duncan's brother.
    At the end Mordecai tells Clint he doesn't know his name while erecting Duncan's grave marker and Clint tells him he does while riding away.

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    Yes, I remember that scene but that line could be interpreted in a lot of ways. Just that he did know his name. Then again, that's as good a theory as any so ok I guess.
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    I got a book a couple of years ago called "Great Stagecoach Robberies of the Old West" by R. Michael Wilson.
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    Not a Bon Jovi fan.

    Tesla's "Modern Day Cowboy" is quite good:

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    Glad this thread is back. Love Westerns!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rover View Post
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    On topic: I watched Forsaken a few days ago - pretty cool western movie.
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    My Name Is Nobody 1974

    Holds a dear place in my heart. First movie I was allowed to go to alone.

    Mom gave me enough money for admission, popcorn, drink and some candy.

    Walked to the Showplace Theater on a Sunday afternoon... down our street, across the huge field behind the hospital and through the woods to where you had to cross RT. 20 - when it was still a two lane road... to the plaza where the theater was. Had to be home by 5pm for dinner.

    9 years old. Times sure were different.

    I'll always remember Henry Fonda's steely eyed stare and the barbershop scene.

    A year or two later I saw a couple of good ones that I haven't seen since... The Missouri Breaks 1976... and Goin' South in 1978.
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