Who needs who more?

[SactoFan]

Does Dave need VH or does VH need Dave more? Is it a push? Consider...1996, Dave and VH together...probably testing things out. Dave says things or acts in a way that VH doesn't like...VH takes a third string singer, puts out an album most VH fans don't like and STILL come out of it with a #1 single and a gold record...Is Eddie right? Can there "always be a Van Halen" with him and Alex around?

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"Van Halen fans been hangin' in there for a long time...they're probably the best fans in the world..."-Sammy

[Down In Flames]

VH needs Dave just as much as Dave needs VH.

Apart, they can put out albums of varying quality. But when VH and Dave make music together? Well, that's just not to be questioned. Fucking amazing, man!

VH was never better than when Dave was their frontman and Dave was never better than when he fronted VH.

Even after all those years apart, "Can't Get This Stuff No More" and "Me Wise Magic" prove the magic is still there.

That's because it never left.

(It just got "detained" for a bit. )

More importantly, though... So long as the four of them choose to work together, the magic will always be there.

=VH=

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[Goo]

When you say a number one single off III.. i think your bending the rules a little - it wasnt anywhere near that on the 'proper' charts... I belive it charted well on one of billboards 'genre' charts - I cant remember which one.

If I remember correctly DLR's slamdunk/king of the hill single ALSO charted very high on the same chart - number 3 or something??

Point is anyways, when your saying 'without you' was a number one hit - its a different definition of 'number one than say 'Jump' was in 1984..

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[Limecuda]

I gotta say that VH needs Dave more than he needs them. VH is running in unchartered water with the lackluster album VH3 and it's poor sales. Dave has been off the popular charts for years while this past VH album was really VH's first unsuccessful venture. VH has become somewhat of a laughing stock for the way they rotate singers. Honestly I believe as great as Eddie and the boys are, their name and careers are more tarnished than DLR's. I just think Eddie's mistakes are way more magnified over DLR's. Over the years most people bought into the "Dave was the jerk who left idea". After '96 though, Eddie and the boys have been the ones viewed in the negative light. There is only one way to fix this and they know what it is.

I have to say though, if boths side want to be big again they will have to work together.

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[Van Gully]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Limecuda:
Over the years most people bought into the "Dave was the jerk who left idea". After '96 though, Eddie and the boys have been the ones viewed in the negative light. There is only one way to fix this and they know what it is.

I have to say though, if boths side want to be big again they will have to work together.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ain't it the truth!?! Remember on Vh1 the List when they voted on the greatest guitarist of all time and Eddie didn't even get a mention? And then some jack-off celeb at the end of the show pointed it out that eddie didn't get mentioned and said something like 'that's what happens when you can't play nice with other people.' I think most of society has forgotten about the "Dave is the bad guy" thing and instead are looking at the VH brothers with a critical eye.


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[This message has been edited by Van Gully (edited February 16, 2001 at 08:28 AM).]

[Georgie]

They certainly both need each other now. I think Van halen has their first taste of commercial failure in 1998 and Dave had been accustomed to that taste for 13 years now. I think now you fix what is broken. There is no mystery to why things went wrong. The fans know as much as they do. It has to be Dave or Sammy. Nothing else will be tolerated or accepted.

[BrokenCombs]

I think I have to agree with Limecuda's post...Van Halen has become (in the public's eye anyway) more a one-liner joke regarding ever changing singers, then an excellent rock and roll band to be taken seriously.


Hopefully that will ALL CHANGE if the boys ever get this new album out the door!

[Eddymon]

Van Halen NEEDS Dave more than Dave NEEDS Van Halen.

Simple point is that Dave, even though he wasn't selling out arenas. He still kept his loyal fan base and VH lost some of the loyals that stuck with them through the Sammy years but couldn't take nor accept Gary.
Dave still packed the large clubs throughout the country and gave the fans what they wanted to see.
Gary Van Halen tried to give the fans the old songs as well but it wasn't enough.

Van Halen the band, desperately NEEDS to regain alot of credibility and respect that was lost in the whole 96 and VH3 fiascos and the only way to do it now is to suck it up and face the music (no pun) with Dave at the mike.

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[Glenn]

I think Dave needs VH more than VH needs him, if everyone is prepared for lower expectations. Van Halen is on a major label, Dave is not, therefore automatically things are in favor of VH. VH has a chance to put out music, sell 500 000 albums and tour theatres at this point. Dave hasn't got that luxury. There's nothing to suggest that Dave (on his own) could ever sell anymore records than DLR Band did or play venues any bigger than the ones he played on his most recent tour.

And while I agree that VH has lost credibility in the music world, Dave no longer even exists in the music world. So that's kind of a toss up there.

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[BrokenCombs]

You make some good points there Glenn I have to admit....I dunno, maybe it's a toss up at this point....They both need each other so we can revive rock and roll in the 21st. Century!

[MikeL]

I thought Eddie's other work kept Jump off the top of the chart?

I'm not gonna agree that VH can only be successful again with Dave. Sam is writing some really strong stuff right now. Honestly, I think Eddie responds well to having someone control him a little. He ran the show on 3, and look what happened. In the situations where Eddie has had another strong personality in the band, good things have happened.

[MikeL]

Whoops, never mind me. Jump did go to number 1.

[Goo]

The 'Thriller' album held '1984' out for 26 weeks or something didnt it?

Damn that Micheal Jackson. And the Llama he rode in on!

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[Down In Flames]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Goo:
Damn that Micheal Jackson. And the Llama he rode in on! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And the monkey he's fucking.

(Bubbles needs to be free! FREE!)

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Official Bartender Of VHForums

[SactoFan]

O.K....I just don't get the "lost credibility" stuff. I hear the points, but despite being laughed at for rotating singers, NO ONE in ANY BAND would or should be stupid enough to think they could throw it down on VH...Even Van Cherone kicks the SHIT out of almost every band out there...

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"Van Halen fans been hangin' in there for a long time...they're probably the best fans in the world..."-Sammy