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    Um, I'm not pretending like I know what to do there, but, um, I feel like
    we should be talking about this. You know, the Israeli razing of the Gaza Strip,
    in like, retaliation, and stuff. 24 hours and not much in the US media,
    at least in my limited access. Meanwhile, respectable news outlets have the
    apocalypse on a loop. 40 years in the making maybe, but perhaps a word,
    no?

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/12/...ast_update.php

    *whistles off into the distance...*
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    Even if it had been on the news, I wouldn't have seen it because I've been pretty much tuned out of the real world over the past few days.
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    Mistere. It's been all over the BBC, as it rightly should. Much as I think the beeb has lowered it's standards over the last few years, it is still the international standard for (almost) impartial news-reporting as far as I am concerned. (Though saying that, if I still lived in the UK I'd be tuning into BBC2 or CH4)

    The reporters have, in interviews and by turns, hammered Hamas spokesmen and Israeli government officials, basically calling all bloodthirsty idiots who need to grow the fuck up, very quickly. Of course, being British, they just ask the kind of questions these people do not want to be asked. Their "non-answers" speak volumes more than any ridiculous posturing on the part of the reporters.

    The current line of reporting/questioning seems to be;

    (To Hamas) "Why not just stop throwing rockets into Israel. It just gives them an excuse"

    (To Israel) "Is this not over-reacting just a tad? Oh, is it any coincidence that an election is on the cards and Israelis want a tougher line"

    The bottom line though is that this is just a massacre, and, whatever the ulterior motive, and there are so many I could think of, Israel seems bent on starting a land war next. A few dead Israeli soldiers will give a better excuse to further this into hell knows what.

    Perhaps it's because the Brits basically started this whole mess with our wonderful carve up of the region, but the media seems able to speak about what it sees without any fear of being seen anti-semite, anti-muslim or whatever.

    This is a clusterfuck of the highest order and, whilst I am most certainly not against israel's right to exist (only an idiot would be), in light of the mounting casualty rate in Gaza, one can only sympathise with hamas' declarations that it will call all of it's fighters to arms. regardless of where a person stands politically, a people being bombed would not be expected to sit there and hope that their attackers would stop. Fighting back is what people under pressure do.

    But then again, as soon as it was announced that 18 months of being caged in were being relaxed to allow food, medicine etc into gaza, you just knew that something was going to happen.

    However, fuck the governments and militias doing the killing. Let's just hope that this doesn't spread out to lebanon and Syria or that, woe betide a few invading troops get hurt, that israel blames Iran for the whole thing, and that the strikes we've long been fearing happen. One missile goes Tehran bound and the whole region turns into ...... (Conspiracy theorists might say that this is just simply a pretext to do just that)

    Once again, the people in power who make the decisions are fuck holes who care not a shit about what happens so long as they get their way and, of course, a lot of ordinary people die.

    Sometimes I am embarrassed to be a human being.

    btw. Watch what happens in Egypt. just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by graeme View Post

    The bottom line though is that this is just a massacre, and, whatever the ulterior motive, and there are so many I could think of, Israel seems bent on starting a land war next.
    Couldn't have anything to do with the assholes that won't stop firing rockets into Israel, could it?

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    What's wrong with saying Israel or Palestine should fend for themselves.

    The US president shouldn't have to choose sides.
    The US chose sides in 1948 with the birth of the Jewish state. The US was the first country to recognize Israel only minutes after it was officially created in 1948.
    Israel is the only country in the Middle East that resembles the US in its values and democracy. To turn away from Israel would be disastrous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wruff_ajax View Post
    Couldn't have anything to do with the assholes that won't stop firing rockets into Israel, could it?
    oh of course not...those jews are just a bunch of land-grabbing trouble makers....

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    My boss has nannied for these 11-year old twin girls their entire life. She is really close with both of them still, I would say she is probably like an aunt or big sister to them. They are Jewish and just left tonight to go to Isreal, me and my boss are kind of freaked out for them. She voiced her concern to their father and he just said I appreciate your concern but I don't think we have anything to worry about?!!??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wruff_ajax View Post
    To turn away from Israel would be disastrous.
    I hear people continually make statements such as this, but I've yet to hear a viable scenario how how it would be such an endworld event.

    Scaremongers galore.

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    As someone who has traveled over to Israel several times, has family and friends living there currently, this has been long over due. Since Hamas took over the Gaza in 2006, they have fired over 3000 rockets into Israel. The current range of rockets effectively affects nearly three quarters of a million Israelis living in the southern part of Israel. I today heard from relatives living in Be'er Sheva, and the entire city is paralyzed with fear... Lastly, whereas Israel does its best to take out Hamas, Hamas fires indiscriminately into israel. All in all, I welcome this incursion and hopefully it will rid Gaza of hamas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wray View Post
    I hear people continually make statements such as this, but I've yet to hear a viable scenario how how it would be such an endworld event.

    Scaremongers galore.


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    these people should put their best fighters in the cage and let them go at it. Im so sick of this shit. Im so glad that i live in a country that is stable and peaceful. We are so blessed people.

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    This isn't going to end well. Interesting to see how Obama deals with this not liking Isreal and what not.

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    It was a thing of beauty.

    Hamas was actually having a "Graduation Ceremony" with all of their new terrorists, er, fighters lined up in formation in front of many Hamas leadership-types. They sank a missle right in the middle of them.

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    Fuddman, I donno where you get your info about Obama not liking Israel. His chief of staff is Rahm Emanuel and his sec of state is Hillary. Sounds pretty pro-Israeli to me.

    Just coz his middle name is "hussein" doesn't make him anti-israeli. And even though Barack's a damn smart guy, he can't make peace happen over there if people over there don't want peace. Of course there's always the Iraqi pacification method - give 100k of yearly salary to all the mid-level commanders for them to retire. That generally brings peace just about anywhere around the world. Middle-east peace must just not be worth that much money...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cabomiro View Post
    That's what Germany was saying about Jewish people in the 1930's.
    Jews also weren't lobbing rockets into Berlin and calling for the annihilation of Germans. Very different situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cabomiro View Post
    That's what Germany was saying about Jewish people in the 1930's.
    What's your deal?

    Jews were killing Germans in the 30s? What are you talking about?
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