Sad, but true...

**Lesbosandwich** · 04.01.02, 07:08 PM

...even if =VH= does a new record w/ Uncle Dave, or with cousin Sammy, singer #4, or the pope the record business these days isn't what it used to be when music lovers ran the show...now it's the bean counters who stand behind lawyers and shit...if the fellerz hit the road they would be lumped into the "can they sell as many records as Creed?" category or "the kids won't want the dinosaur shit..they want Linkin Park" crap...fuckin' bean counters...remember about ten years ago when =VH= hit the road in Europe and they had to be an opening act for Bon Jovi? ... the bean counters argued that Bon Jovi were more popular...them fuckers would make Chuck Berry open for Foghat...fuckin' bean counters.

**Zahzoo** · 04.02.02, 08:09 AM

True the kiddie pop market is a focus for the industry... but one thing to remember is us old farts still maintain a strong buying power given there's a quality product to spend our hard earned cash on...

**dkcou812** · 04.02.02, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by Zahzoo:
True the kiddie pop market is a focus for the industry... but one thing to remember is us old farts still maintain a strong buying power given there's a quality product to spend our hard earned cash on...

i agree that is the straight up shit [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

**Raldo** · 04.02.02, 08:26 AM

I agree 100% Zahzoo!!! Never underestimate the 30-50 age range when it comes to music.

Can you imagine Creed singing their garbage when they are 45-50 years old? [img]graemlins/scared.gif[/img]

**z28girl** · 04.02.02, 10:02 AM

First of all, I like Creed. They're better than a lot of the shit that's out there. The success of bands like Creed, Nickelback, and Incubus give me hope that a melody and actual vocal talent still exist in the world. And with all the shit going on with the RIAA, I'm not surprised that many musicians are fed up and walking away from the biz.

**Zadian** · 04.02.02, 12:36 PM

Fact: Popular music of any time/decade/year/month/week is always catered to the young.

Fact: Van Halen used to be popular, and appealed to the young.

Fact: We were at that time the 'tweeny' market.

Fact: Now were old, and really not the target market of the record companies, and VH is far from being any sort of smoking gun.

Fact: Like it or not, Creed rocks and is a huge missle for record companies that is targeting the market bands like VH used to rule and they are turning huge profits.

Sorry to be pessimistic.

**Walter Payton #34** · 04.02.02, 12:52 PM

Another Fact: Many kids who discovered rock with Creed are also getting into classic bands like Led Zeppelin and Van Halen. Whether you like them or not, today's bands like Creed are keeping rock alive so that a Van Halen reunion w/DLR could be relevant to kids today.

**gtrhead4life** · 04.02.02, 01:15 PM

Another Fact:

A majority of the world's population is aging. Meaning that there is a large blob of baby boomers moving through middle age, then on to senioritis.

What that means for VH and the music industry I don't know, but the volume of this demographic is well known and will be marketed to. I do know that I'm on the tail end of the boomers and established acts, if they put out quality stuff will always be candidates for my dispensible income.

Peace
GH4L

**z28girl** · 04.02.02, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by gtrhead4life:
Another Fact:

A majority of the world's population is aging. Meaning that there is a large blob of baby boomers moving through middle age, then on to senioritis.

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**Zadian** · 04.02.02, 01:56 PM

First: If VH were to put out a new cd today there would be many happy fans, those who are left, and the amount of happy fans one could argue depends on who is behind the mic.

Baby Boomers are a funny market, and personally I kinda question their clout when it comes to music. Why: Baby Boomer's have other financial priorities...they are not teenager's anymore that can spend every dime on a cd. Do they have money? Possibly, but it is tied up in other things. Baby Boomer's will never be the driving force behind record sales. They will and are very select in their music purchases. An interesting pole here would be how many cd's people here at the links have you bought in the last year and are over the age of 35. Then you could ask who the bands were of those cd's they bought. I am not yet 35, and I have bought maybe one cd in the last year. Yes I am still a music fan, but my purchases have other priorities. CD's have become more of a luxury item. My cd collection seems to have stagnated at around 93 - 94 when real life with bills gave a nice little slap *lol*

But to totally kill this argument I will say that the driving force behind the music industry has always been the young. Go back through music history and you will see. Fact is, your getting older. And if you are someone who saw VH with DLR...man, I thought I was old *lol*

**MO Halen** · 04.02.02, 01:59 PM

Hey, heres an idea....put some music out and let us decide!!!!!!! [img]graemlins/sleep.gif[/img] MO.

GO WINGS!

**laner** · 04.02.02, 02:16 PM

creed sucks. well, my own prison was decent. but now they blow.

nickelback, i do actually like. however, it's still nothing to call home about. i mean, the days of a decent guitar solo have come and gone. i still thikn that the new band that's takin the music industry forward is collective soul, and let's face it, they're not really that new anymore.

i think a new vh album with dave will have a positive influence on the youth today. but of course, there is no arguement about the target audience for music. it's definitely the youth.

**Zahzoo** · 04.02.02, 02:26 PM

Fact: 30-50 age group out earns the 12-30 age group... hands down with more dollars spent on entertainment across the board.

For the person who asked... I'm 44 and I've purchased approximately 25-30 CD's in the last year and 6 limited edition vinyl releases. I've attended 8 major artist concerts and at least 20 club venue shows with local artists or regional road acts.

In reality the only major draw to the pop world is in advertising and consumer sales... in other words it sells Pepsi and bell-bottom jeans.

Oh yeah... I saw VH w/ DLR. Ozzy w/ Toni and w/ Randy, Zepplin w/ Bonham, Double Trouble w/ Stevie, AcDc w/ Bohn, and was lucky enough to have wacky parents and saw Jimi Hendrix burn and smash his Strat at Monterey Pop in 1967. I ain't older than dirt but I'm high milage but w/ low drag... [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

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**doughboy** · 04.02.02, 07:14 PM

From what I've been hearin' on the local "alternative" station here in South Bend, a new Van Halen cd would have no trouble selling to the "younger generation". A lot of Van Halen songs (with Sammy and Dave) are still in heavy rotation, right along with Linkin Park, Limp Bisquick and Creed. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

I like Creed and Nickleback. They need more guitar solo's though. Hell, if I'm in the mood, Linkin Parks "In the End" sounds pretty damn good. [img]graemlins/scared.gif[/img]

Most of the cd's that I've bought this last year have been those 80's glam rock bands that I used to hate back then.

Even though they sucked back then, they are still better than most the shit being released today. Yep, I'm itchin' for something new from Van Halen and at this point I really don't care with who at the mic because I'm about out of Gold Bond.

**SteveDS90** · 04.02.02, 07:33 PM

A new Van Halen album would have decent sales. I mean don't expect it to sell 5 mill... thats just ridiculous. But a VH album w/Roth or maybe even w/Sammy could easily sell 2 million, possibly 3?