Sammy's poor sales, similar to Jagger's?

**valdez44** · 10.21.02, 08:21 AM

Didn't Mick Jagger put out an album last year, as well. I'm certain that he did, and from what I recall, it didn't do jack shit as far as sales. Does this mean it was a poor record? Not necessarily....However, you put Jagger back in the Stones, and I think we all know the result.

Put Hagar, or Roth for that matter back in VH, and I think we all know the sales will escalate. The bottom line is....times, they have changed people. I teach at a Middle School in Los Angeles, and I can almost guarantee that maybe only a handful of students out of 2000 plus even know who Sam/dave or Van Halen is. I think that's really lame, and I do my best to open their eyes and ears. What they do hear, they like....but to them Lincoln Park is like "the shit".

Back to the point, Sammy ain't going to sell records like he used to because our youth ain't buying it. And all his long time fans have either bought it, tried to and couldn't find it, downloaded it, or said, "screw it, I have enough Sammy tunes to satisfy" But, just because it ain't selling doesn't mean its a crappy album, or that his career's over. Just look at Jagger...

**WARHEAD** · 10.21.02, 08:40 AM

I think any kid today that did want to follow veteran acts, probably has the computer capabilities to listen to and sample anything they choose, at least a high percentage of them.
Add to that the number of older fans who can do the same thing, given the knowledge of the technology, and next thing you know, you've got people sharing music, not paying for something that was intended to be shared in the first place.

I doubt seriously that the first caveman who banged a drum or whatever, stopped in mid-beat when people came from out of the woodwork to hear his tribal beats, waiting for them to lay their trinkets, arrowheads, spears and lucky tiger claws at his feet, for him to continue.

I understand that it does cost money to record and put out music, and that cost should be recooped, and a live product is worth what it will bring, although is anyone person or group worth much more in reality than the best local bar band that answers the bell of layin' down the grooves 2 or 3 nights a week?

It just shows that anything bastardized by money being brought into the equation, just slowly turns into everything it was never meant to be, whether that be hype driven boy bands, no talent hotties singing with effects in over-drive, or whatever flavor of the week bullshit is in.

The music business is what it is. Still, in a perfect world how cool would it be to see all your favorite bands and performers up close, small venues and clubs, and tickets priced very affordably, and see music played as it was meant to be shared, in an intimate setting, where the emotion of the players can be seen as well as heard.

Well, enough ranting. I guess Gene can get back to counting his money now.

**JTCanavera** · 10.21.02, 09:32 AM

Yes he did, and the first single Visions of Paradise was written by Rob Thomas of Matchbox Twenty who has been a non-stop radio hit machine for the past few years.

Originally posted by valdez44:
Didn't Mick Jagger put out an album last year, as well. I'm certain that he did, and from what I recall, it didn't do jack shit as far as sales. Does this mean it was a poor record? Not necessarily....However, you put Jagger back in the Stones, and I think we all know the result.

Put Hagar, or Roth for that matter back in VH, and I think we all know the sales will escalate. The bottom line is....times, they have changed people. I teach at a Middle School in Los Angeles, and I can almost guarantee that maybe only a handful of students out of 2000 plus even know who Sam/dave or Van Halen is. I think that's really lame, and I do my best to open their eyes and ears. What they do hear, they like....but to them Lincoln Park is like "the shit".

Back to the point, Sammy ain't going to sell records like he used to because our youth ain't buying it. And all his long time fans have either bought it, tried to and couldn't find it, downloaded it, or said, "screw it, I have enough Sammy tunes to satisfy" But, just because it ain't selling doesn't mean its a crappy album, or that his career's over. Just look at Jagger...

**valdez44** · 10.21.02, 10:23 AM

so did Jagger's recent disc "bomb" in terms of sales too? If my memory serves me correctly, it didn't do very well.....which doesn't lesson my opinion of him.

**Glenn** · 10.21.02, 10:32 AM

Yeah, Mick's album didn't do well at all. Big difference being that Mick had that hour long "Being Mick" special that aired all over North America and was also featured as a musical guest on Saturday Night Live. The "Being Mick" special highlighted the fact that artists such as Pete Townshend, Bono and Lenny Kravitz were present on Goddess In The Doorway.

Sammy, on the other hand, hasn't seen fit to have his album readily available in every record store. I know it's not available here in Edmonton Canada, and one of our members from Vancouver was told by record store clerks that the album wasn't even being released in Canada at all.

The money and effort put into promotion by Jagger has to have lead to a high level of disappointment in the albums' poor sales. Sammy's sales seem to have been abysmal also, but his poor efforts to get the album out seem to indicate that he has no one to blame but himself.

**Stuff No More** · 10.21.02, 10:55 AM

See, it's like this.

What is more recognizable?

a) Mick Jaggar
OR
b) The Rolling Stones

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a) Sammy Hagar
OR
b) Van Halen

People who have never heard of either of the a's probably could name a few tunes from the b's. Consider it like this. Bon Jovi has done well with their new album, but how well would it have done if it was a Richie Samboro (sp?) solo album?

**Glenn** · 10.21.02, 11:02 AM

Obviously Sammy isn't going to compete with VH's record sales, but the album not even being available is just suicide. Week number one is going to be the biggest sales week, and Sammy blew it. Why release a product if you don't care enough about it to do all you can to promote it? Why didn't he release this album three months earlier to coincide with the tour he was on?

**dog** · 10.21.02, 11:04 AM

Jagger's album did not do well. However it's not compareable to Hagar's sales. It did receive more promotion. Jagger entered the chart at #39, and sold 66,000 copies the first week. It sold 1.5 million worldwide. It did not go gold in the U.S. It sold roughly the same if not more than Paul McCartney's album that came out at the same time. However 66,000 is not comparable to 6,600.

**Glenn** · 10.21.02, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by dog:
Jagger entered the chart at #39, and sold 66,000 copies the first week. It sold 1.5 million worldwide.

Wow, I didn't realize it had sold that much. Sad that a number like that is looked at as a failure, but with the Jagger name and the amount of promotion, that's the reality of how it's viewed.

BTW, I think that Goddess In The Doorway is a great record. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

**dog** · 10.21.02, 11:16 AM

I think Glenn makes a really good point. Also what happened to Sammy's sales. Marching To Mars and Red Voodoo did pretty respectably. They both charted in the Top 25, and sold between 300,000-400,000 copies. 10/13 comes out, peaks at 52 and sells less than 200,000. Now we have this album, which barely charts. What happened between Red Voodoo and 10/13? Hagar tried with 10/13, he was even on the NFL Today on CBS. 10/13 was a much better album than Red Voodoo. Did being off of MCA make that mcuh difference?

**twonabomber** · 10.21.02, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by JTCanavera:
Yes he did, and the first single Visions of Paradise was written by Rob Thomas of Matchbox Twenty who has been a non-stop radio hit machine for the past few years.

God Gave Me Everything was the first single...but still, the Jagger disc was seen as a disappointment...

[ October 21, 2002, 11:32 AM: Message edited by: twonabomber ]

**valdez44** · 10.21.02, 12:59 PM

Wow...Dog, had no idea Jagger's disc sold that many copies. The number I recalled being thrown around was approx. 100,000. Even still...considering all the promotion it was deemed a failure.

I do agree with Glen, absolutely....Hagar committed "suicide" by choosing not to promote his latest effort, or at least making it more readily available. Too bad for Sam...because I think its one of his better albums post VH

**Crmlcrm216** · 10.21.02, 02:17 PM

Paul McCartney's last album "Driving Rain" didn't do well either. It just went gold (500,000 units) recently. People are not really buying new albums from veteran rockers unless it's a greatest hits.

**twonabomber** · 10.21.02, 02:22 PM

for every great song McCartney writes, he's got at least three bad ones...that Freedom song was garbage...

**Glenn** · 10.21.02, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by dog:
It sold 1.5 million worldwide. It did not go gold in the U.S.

The more I think about this, the more I wonder. If it didn't sell 500,000 copies in the US, is it likely that it sold a million copies everywhere else??

Where did it sell all those copies?