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    BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Insurgent bombers launched a series of attacks across Baghdad on Wednesday and killed at least 171 people and wounded scores

    Further south, British forces transferred security control to Iraqi troops in Maysan province, a sign that Iraq is taking another step toward "self-reliance." However, the spate of Baghdad blasts reflects the stiff challenges posed by what has been a resilient insurgency.

    The Interior Ministry issued this update:

    • 122 dead, 150 wounded in Sadriya market in central Baghdad;

    • 28 dead, 44 wounded in an attack near an Iraqi Army checkpoint at one of the entrances to Sadr City, the official said;

    • 11 civilians were killed and 13 others wounded when a parked car bomb detonated in central Baghdad's Karrada district. The car was parked near a hospital and a market;

    • Four police officers were killed and 6 civilians wounded shortly when a suicide car bomber exploded at an Iraqi police checkpoint in southern Baghdad;

    • Four people were killed and eight were wounded by a bomber targeting a police patrol near a checkpoint in Saidiya, in southwestern Baghdad. Two of those killed were police and the other two were civilians;

    • Two civilians were killed and 9 others wounded when a roadside bomb detonated at a busy intersection in central Baghdad.

    Meanwhile, the U.S. military was on the move against insurgents.

    Coalition raids in and around the Iraqi cities of Falluja, Taji, and Mosul on Wednesday led to the killings of six insurgents and the detention of more than 40 others, the U.S. military said.

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    U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates answered questions earlier on Wednesday about Iraq's instability.

    During an appearance before the American Chamber of Commerce in Cairo, Egypt, stressed that he believes political reconciliation is the key to taming the current instability in Iraq.

    "I think that there is progress being made. I believe that faster progress can be made in the political reconciliation procress in Iraq," Gates said. He said there could be progress once "sectarian" factions "decide to live peacefully with one another."

    Gates explained that there aren't "thousands of people in the streets in Iraq trying to kill each other."

    "What you have are armed gangs of death squads going around killing people. You have large vehicle-borne IEDs that are being used by al Qaeda to try and bring to bring massive casualties to the Shia in hope of stoking sectarian violence."

    And, he said, "you have a Baathist insurgency."

    "These are not mass movements." he said, "and so if there is a political reconciliation the Iraqi security forces, with some of our help and that of our coalition partners, I think, are in a position to control both the insurgency, the death squads and al Qaeda."

    But, he emphasized, "we need for all of the parties involved to help with the process of reconciliation."

    Farther south in Maysan province, officials boasted that the transfer of security -- which has been a relatively quiet district -- "demonstrates another step towards a stable and secure Iraq."

    But Maysan isn't a sectarian flashpoint. It is a largely rural stretch located in the Shiite heartland in the south and it borders Iran.

    A statement from U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker, British Ambassador to Iraq Dominic Asquith, and Gen. David Petraeus said, "Maysan is the fourth of 18 provinces to be transitioned and this reflects Iraq's continued steps toward a capability to govern and protect itself and its citizens as a sovereign nation.

    'Insurgents' killed
    Meanwhile coalition raids in and around the Iraqi cities of Falluja, Taji, and Mosul led to the killings of six insurgents and the detention of more than 40 others, the U.S. military said.

    Troops raided several buildings in a rural area northeast of Falluja, killing five suspected terrorists, wounding four more and capturing another 30 terror suspects, according to the U.S. military. Falluja is located in Anbar province.

    "Coalition forces raided a group of buildings known to be used by terrorists and found explosive materials in one of the buildings," the military statement said. "A helicopter used precision-guided munitions to strike the contents of the building. Secondary explosions at the site confirmed the material inside was explosive."

    Four of the insurgents were taken to military medical facilities to be treated for wounds, the military said.

    Although some women and children were present, none of them were injured, according to the military.

    An "armed terrorist" was killed and five insurgents were detained west of Taji -- which is near Baghdad.

    "The suspected terrorists are believed to be tied to al Qaeda in Iraq and a vehicle-borne improvised explosive device network known to use chlorine in its attacks. They are also allegedly involved in facilitating foreign terrorist movements," the military said in a news release.

    In Mosul, in northern Iraq, troops detained "three suspected terrorists with ties to the al Qaeda in Iraq network."

    Execution claim
    The raids came the day after insurgents executed 20 members of Iraq's security forces who were seized last week, according to a claim posted on the Internet.

    The Islamic State of Iraq -- an umbrella group of Sunni extremists that includes al Qaeda in Iraq -- claims it carried out the executions.

    The authenticity of the claim has not been verified.

    The Islamic State of Iraq has claimed responsibility for the bombing of the parliament building last week in Baghdad's Green Zone in which a legislator was killed.

    A claim was found on the Web on Saturday that militants seized 20 security forces northeast of Baghdad. It is thought that the people were in Diyala province, but the name of the region was not mentioned.
    "Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.” -- Gen. George S. Patton

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    Is this damn war ever gonna end???
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    Our participation might end someday (hopefully soon), but the war over there will never end.

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    its not a "war" anymore.

    its an occupation and guerilla fighting/tactics.

    the actual "war" was over in a few weeks.

    we dont here about jet fighter dog fights or air strikes or tank battles or decisive military battlefeild stratagies with infantry and such.

    all we here about is young soldiers getting blown up by grenades while on patrol or suicide bombings.

    just bring the soldiers back and let the factions have their civil wars they want so badly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vhrocker View Post
    Is this damn war ever gonna end???
    It ended in 2003, Remember? "Mission Accomplished"? Bush in his pilot costume, on the deck of an aircraft carrier?

    Unfortunately, the current administration refuses to admit any kind of failure and would rather pay for that with american blood...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick S View Post
    its not a "war" anymore.

    its an occupation and guerilla fighting/tactics.

    the actual "war" was over in a few weeks.

    we dont here about jet fighter dog fights or air strikes or tank battles or decisive military battlefeild stratagies with infantry and such.

    all we here about is young soldiers getting blown up by grenades while on patrol or suicide bombings.

    just bring the soldiers back and let the factions have their civil wars they want so badly.
    If 171 people die in one city in one day that's a war brother. Im not saying I feel one way or the other at this point but if we bring our people back home a lot more people then this will die every day. If anything our people now are serving more of a real purpose then they did during that bullshit bogus invasion.

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    We should pull out most of out ground forces, leave SF in there and then cover those guys with the Air Force.

    There's nothing going on there now that isn't going to change when we leave, so fuck it and fuck the Iraqi people. They're the new poster children for Neutron bombs, the best way to ensure peace in the future is to just kill as many of them as we can. We can do that with a submarine.

    Fuck it, I say we're done and it's time to go home. It's not like we're going to leave the gulf, where we've been since 1979, we can even go back if we feel like it.

    End it, mend the military and the National Guard. There will be other fish to fry in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
    Fuck it, I say we're done and it's time to go home. It's not like we're going to leave the gulf, where we've been since 1979, we can even go back if we feel like it.

    End it, mend the military and the National Guard. There will be other fish to fry in the future.
    While I don't agree with saying "fuck the Iraqui people", they're human beings after all and they can't all be bad, I do think we should get the fuck out. Nothing is going to change there regardless of our presence. We're just wasting American lives and what happens if something breaks out in another part of the world, while all our troops are concentrated there??? Think about how much those troops could've helped with Katrina...
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    Otis, my man ( I love saying that), pulling out of Iraq WILL fuck the Iraqi people. It's just that I don't see them stepping up and getting their shit together, they might be a good people but they have yet to show us that.

    There comes a point where it's becomes clear that those people are not worth our time or our blood. They say that they want us to leave but they can't be bothered to do the things we've asked of them so that we can leave.

    So fuck them, we handed them their Liberty and they've wiped their ass with it. The Kurds got their shit together, so nobody can tell me it's impossible.
    There's nothing going on in Iraq that we can't fix with a 2000lb GBU.

    To hell with them.
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    The fact that this thread only has ten posts shows how much we probably need to pull our troops out of that shithole. Let's be honest, most of us if given a choice probably could give a crap less about Iraqi lives, certainly not at the expense of our friends and family.

    They had a chance, we helped them goon it up as much as they have themselves but that's to bad, it's a tough world.

 

 

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