Robbes and canned engineer

**Cooler5150** · 03.22.07, 06:36 PM

Ed was always talking about some dude Robbes when he did interviews for the "3" album. I think he was an engineer for the album...what the hell happened to him?

Also, who was the engineer that lived in Eddie's guest house that he fired before the recording of "BOBW?"

AT · 03.22.07, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Cooler5150

Ed was always talking about some dude Robbes when he did interviews for the "3" album. I think he was an engineer for the album...what the hell happened to him?

Also, who was the engineer that lived in Eddie's guest house that he fired before the recording of "BOBW?"

Robbes Steiglitz was brought in during the III sessions after Erwin Musper quit/was fired. Robbes helped finish recording and mix and stayed on during the follow up sessions for the second Cherone album. I think he was the guy that lived in Eddie's guest house and who was on salary.

**Cooler5150** · 03.22.07, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by AndrewThomas.net

Robbes Steiglitz was brought in during the III sessions after Erwin Musper quit/was fired. Robbes helped finish recording and mix and stayed on during the follow up sessions for the second Cherone album. I think he was the guy that lived in Eddie's guest house and who was on salary.

I can't figure out why they would fire Musper, or make things so bad for him he would quit? I think he did a great job on BOV1, and I think he worked on "Balance" too, which also had a great sound.

Another example of Ed making bad decisions. People think just because Eddie is sobering up, he will suddenly make all the right moves. Not necessarily the case. I think he was pretty much dry for the "3" sessions. Makes you wonder if Robbes was so bad either, or Ed just made another bad move firing him.

Unfortunately, I think Ed is a guy, sober or not, that needs management in the studio. Every success he has had, there was somebody there "in charge." Templeman, Landee, Fairbairn, Ballard...the list goes on. When Ed is left on his own, or in charge, we get "3," or the new tracks on "BOBW."

**vhrocker** · 03.22.07, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Cooler5150

I can't figure out why they would fire Musper, or make things so bad for him he would quit? I think he did a great job on BOV1, and I think he worked on "Balance" too, which also had a great sound.

Another example of Ed making bad decisions. People think just because Eddie is sobering up, he will suddenly make all the right moves. Not necessarily the case. I think he was pretty much dry for the "3" sessions. Makes you wonder if Robbes was so bad either, or Ed just made another bad move firing him.

Unfortunately, I think Ed is a guy, sober or not, that needs management in the studio. Every success he has had, there was somebody there "in charge." Templeman, Landee, Fairbairn, Ballard...the list goes on. When Ed is left on his own, or in charge, we get "3," or the new tracks on "BOBW."

And then Eddie fires Mickey.

AT · 03.22.07, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by vhrocker

And then Eddie fires Mickey.

Oh Mickey you're so fine
You're so fine you blow my mind
Hey Mickey

Or is it Mikey?

AT · 03.22.07, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Cooler5150

I can't figure out why they would fire Musper, or make things so bad for him he would quit? I think he did a great job on BOV1, and I think he worked on "Balance" too, which also had a great sound.

Another example of Ed making bad decisions. People think just because Eddie is sobering up, he will suddenly make all the right moves. Not necessarily the case. I think he was pretty much dry for the "3" sessions. Makes you wonder if Robbes was so bad either, or Ed just made another bad move firing him.

Unfortunately, I think Ed is a guy, sober or not, that needs management in the studio. Every success he has had, there was somebody there "in charge." Templeman, Landee, Fairbairn, Ballard...the list goes on. When Ed is left on his own, or in charge, we get "3," or the new tracks on "BOBW."

Well we don't know if Musper was fired or quit necessarily; he was credited as having engineered III, and Robbes and Eddie were credited for "mixed and fixed." I heard from someone who knew Robbes that the project was a big mess when he stepped in. Musper may have left out of frustration of the lack of organization (Mike Post really wasn't around much), or it could be that the album was "done," and his job of engineering was complete. My guess: He left. I'd be curious to hear what he'd have to say about it, though.

**voivod** · 03.23.07, 06:58 PM

The Inside: What are your thoughts on Van Halen 3 and Gary Cherone's stint with Van Halen?

MP: I didn't like it, sonically or musically. I hoped they would get Dave back in 1996. From an engineering standpoint, my friend Robbes Stieglitz said it was quite a mess when they called him in to work on the album.

http://www.vhlinks.com/pages/intervi...sc/tisu002.php

AT · 03.23.07, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by voivod

The Inside: What are your thoughts on Van Halen 3 and Gary Cherone's stint with Van Halen?

MP: I didn't like it, sonically or musically. I hoped they would get Dave back in 1996. From an engineering standpoint, my friend Robbes Stieglitz said it was quite a mess when they called him in to work on the album.

http://www.vhlinks.com/pages/intervi...sc/tisu002.php

That was the Mike Plotnikoff interview (second engineer on Balance)? Wow... he wasn't who I was talking about. I guess it really was a mess.

**Mikey Metalhead** · 03.24.07, 07:55 AM

quit/was fired

that phrase gets used a lot with the VH brothers.

**MF5150** · 03.26.07, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Cooler5150

I can't figure out why they would fire Musper, or make things so bad for him he would quit? I think he did a great job on BOV1, and I think he worked on "Balance" too, which also had a great sound.

Another example of Ed making bad decisions. People think just because Eddie is sobering up, he will suddenly make all the right moves. Not necessarily the case. I think he was pretty much dry for the "3" sessions. Makes you wonder if Robbes was so bad either, or Ed just made another bad move firing him.

Unfortunately, I think Ed is a guy, sober or not, that needs management in the studio. Every success he has had, there was somebody there "in charge." Templeman, Landee, Fairbairn, Ballard...the list goes on. When Ed is left on his own, or in charge, we get "3," or the new tracks on "BOBW."

Glen Ballard produced the 3 new tracks on BOBW did he not? He did help with the re mastering though I know that.

**snare812** · 03.26.07, 03:57 PM

I have a friend here who is good friends with eddie shryer who mastered the record and he told my friend that III was a messand that Robbes got involved toward the middle or end of the recording.

I still love the record...it's such a masterpeice of disaster.

carry on

**Cooler5150** · 03.28.07, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by EvH_316_5150

Glen Ballard produced the 3 new tracks on BOBW did he not? He did help with the re mastering though I know that.

Not sure if Ballard was there for the writing/recording process of those three "not so classic" tunes. I think I remember reading somewhere he was more a part of the remastering, like you said.

And he did a great job with the band on "BOV 1," those two new songs were good ones.

AT · 03.28.07, 12:21 PM

Ballard was the one who encouraged Eddie to produce VH on his own. (He did so after having to bail on producing III because he had an obligation to Alanis Morisette.)

**coyote** · 03.28.07, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by AndrewThomas.net

Ballard was the one who encouraged Eddie to produce VH on his own. (He did so after having to bail on producing III because he had an obligation to Alanis Morisette.)

I'd have bailed to work with Alanis as well. Didn't he get co-writing credit with her as well as the production points? Alanis was everywhere at that time and he made a dumptruck full of money off of that I'm sure.