Ed's Demons
Follow us on...
Follow us on Twitter Follow us on Facebook Watch us on YouTube
Register
Likes Likes:  0
Results 1 to 15 of 15

Thread: Ed's Demons

  1. #1
    Take Your Whiskey Home
    Reckless Fable's Avatar
    Join Date
    03.30.02
    Age
    48
    Location
    San Francisco, CA
    Posts
    7,062
    Posts Per Day
    0.85
    Favorite VH Album

    All of them
    Favorite VH Song

    Girl Gone Bad, Hang 'em High
    Last Online

    02.04.25 @ 05:01 PM
    Likes (Given)
    1163
    Likes (Received)
    848
    Thanks (Given)
    1860
    Thanks (Received)
    2379

    Achievements:
    Master PraiserSupremely-LikedVHLinks Proud!50,000 VHL Life PointsThee King

    Ed's Demons

    I haven’t posted here in a reeeeeeeeally long time, but I just can’t keep to myself about this anymore. Since most of my friends don’t really care about Van Halen, they don’t want to hear about it, but for some strange reason, I do. If you’ll oblige, this is a post, which I think, could shed some light on the very person that is Eddie Van Halen through a particular personal relationships in my own life. Before I go on, this post isn’t intended to make any moralistic or ideological point that you should support/hate/condone/feel sympathy for/boycott Ed. I’m agnostic about the whole thing from that level, however, the dude who inspired me to pick up and play the shit out of my guitar has, for all intents and purposes, objectively become a train wreck, and this wreck looks exactly like something I’ve seen in my personal life. So, if you give a crap to read on, here you go:

    I’ve been personally dealing with a severe alcoholic, who was my best friend, for about 15 years. The dreadful experiences I’ve had with this guy, who I love like a brother, is so eerily similar to the type of behavior that Eddie Van Halen is displaying, it is as if they are almost the same person (but my friend’s tone deafness betrays him). For a few years, my friend was what you would call a “functional alcoholic.” He could hold a job (actually he was quite good at it), be reasonable person, and generally put on a face in public where only those close to him knew he was a liability in front of the bottle.

    The problem with being a “functional alcoholic” is that you are only delaying the inevitable point where you fall apart. The central issue here is that alcoholics don’t learn how to cope with their emotions; whenever something happens to them, or they look inside themselves and see a mess, they anesthetize that feeling with booze. People who aren’t substance abusers confront these issues for the most part—we grow, we learn, we live life with a bit more understanding and come to some kind of compromise with our personal weaknesses. But alcoholics are kind of like a human time capsule; they don’t emotionally grow from the point that they really started hitting the bottle. In my friend’s case, it is like he has emotionally dealt with life with the same level of maturity that an 18 year old does.

    The problem for the alcoholic is that, although they have intentionally become emotionally disabled, their brain doesn’t shut off. They see some issues with themselves and the outside world, but the bottle allows them to run and anesthetize it further. Slowly, they develop an intense paranoia about the world around them because they know something is off—more importantly, they develop a deep and resounding paranoia about those that are closest to them. They know that they are dependent on something, but if they haven’t acknowledged themselves as alcoholics, they will find other rationalizations. They then look at those close to them and suspiciously think that the disaster that is their life is the fault of others, no their own.

    Anyway, the connection to Edward hit me during the 2004 tour. Back in 2003, I visited my friend and we went to a pre-wedding party for some other friends that we grew up with. It was a great party, but my friend was ripped before he got there. At one point, he grabbed the mic, gave a deep speech where he started crying, and then later ended up rolling around on the stage incoherently rambling about how much he really hated how people just didn’t get it--everyone sat there with their mouths wide-open. It was such a desperate cry for attention and when I saw Eddie Van Halen in 2004, rolling around the stage during the show playing like a sloppy idiot, and had cried awkwardly moments before, I knew exactly what I was looking at.

    I don’t want to belabor this post any further, but one cannot discount the ferociousness of the disease the Edward is suffering from. Van Halen, the band, is absolutely fucked until Edward figures things out—and nothing will happen over night even under the best of circumstances. At this point, if the downward spiral of this once vibrant, bright and incredible innovator who has touched us with his music far more than many, is stopped, Edward will be lucky to be alive, let alone be capable of giving us the “reunion” that we all really want.

    Edward’s recent behavior has been sickening, but it hasn’t been inexplicable. My hope, for his sake and his family, is that he finds his way. However, 15 years later, my friend is still digging his grave despite all the people around him that are willing to help, so I’m not counting on Edward overcoming 50 years of sloshing himself silly. One thing is for sure: Dave and Alex will be miracle workers if they can hold things together over the summer. This isn’t about supporting a tour, or being a fan of Ed, this is about objectively acknowledging a man who is drinking himself to death--and all the signs are glaring loudly like lights on a Vegas casino billboard.

  2. #2
    Damage your reputation
    seenbad's Avatar
    Join Date
    02.24.00
    Age
    52
    Location
    Portland Oregon
    Posts
    28,818
    Posts Per Day
    3.16
    Favorite VH Album

    Halen 1
    Favorite VH Song

    I'm the one
    Last Online

    Today @ 09:52 AM
    Likes (Given)
    489
    Likes (Received)
    902
    Thanks (Given)
    65
    Thanks (Received)
    142


    Premium Member

    Donor

    Achievements:
    Padawan PraiserWell-LikedElite Daily PosterVHLinks Proud!100,000 VHL Life PointsThee King75,000 VHL Life Points

    Default

    What he said.
    sheepa latta peepah dabba looka foh a moopy

    Gunter glieben glauchen globen

  3. #3
    Hang 'Em High

    Join Date
    05.28.00
    Location
    dirtland, usa
    Posts
    17,177
    Posts Per Day
    1.90
    Favorite VH Album

    the classic 6 pack
    Favorite VH Song

    hmmm...everybody wants some
    Last Online

    07.22.24 @ 04:45 PM
    Likes (Given)
    500
    Likes (Received)
    1100
    Thanks (Given)
    239
    Thanks (Received)
    999

    Achievements:
    Padawan PraiserVHLinks Proud!Thee KingSupremely-Liked100,000 VHL Life Points

    Default

    great post

    totally understand
    "you can't change JMJ, it's legendary"- Brett Norton 9/24/07

    "It's the "JMJ" everyone had grown to love, man! Time to blow the roof off this place!"
    -Zachenfoot 2/23/10

    "The links just look a little better with JMJ. Always has, always will." -Hurricane Halen 2/24/10

    "I'm doin' the victory dance. Told ya I'd be back. Tell me ya missed me. Say it like ya mean it" - Blood and Fire. =VH= 2012. Welcome back boys

    "I don't give a flying fuck about Motley Crue. I give about a half a fuck about Rush. I like Van Halen and don't give a flying fuck how many tickets they all sell. Any questions?"- jimmyw

  4. #4
    Top Of The World

    Join Date
    06.20.01
    Location
    Phoenix, AZ
    Posts
    3,906
    Posts Per Day
    0.45
    Favorite VH Album

    Van Halen II or Diver Down
    Favorite VH Song

    Cathedral, Humans Being
    Last Online

    11.03.20 @ 02:20 PM
    Likes (Given)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    7
    Thanks (Given)
    0
    Thanks (Received)
    3

    Achievements:
    25,000 VHL Life PointsKnight Of Da Roundtable

    Default

    What a horrible, sad story -- for your friend and for Ed.

  5. #5
    Take Your Whiskey Home

    Join Date
    09.15.06
    Age
    49
    Location
    Minneapolis
    Posts
    6,568
    Posts Per Day
    0.98
    Last Online

    07.04.16 @ 09:03 PM
    Likes (Given)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    3
    Thanks (Given)
    0
    Thanks (Received)
    1

    Default

    I thought of a very good friend of mine as I read your post.

    Though it's not entirely true, when Ed was "on the wagon" from roughly '94 to '99, he gave off the impression that he was more objective, optimistic, and idealistic. Those are qualities often not found in someone lost in their alcoholism, so it would seem he was really trying to battle the illness away in at least a mental way.

    All we can do is hope for the best for Edward. He's an amazing soul having to find his way through some major obstacles.

  6. #6
    5150
    voa38's Avatar
    Join Date
    06.18.04
    Posts
    728
    Posts Per Day
    0.10
    Last Online

    11.26.16 @ 04:00 AM
    Likes (Given)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    1
    Thanks (Given)
    0
    Thanks (Received)
    3

    Default

    Great read man, and best wishes on your freind...You wonder if Ed has the right people around him?Probably not just a buch of yes man and or women...

  7. #7
    Eruption

    Join Date
    03.13.04
    Age
    54
    Location
    pa
    Posts
    162
    Posts Per Day
    0.02
    Favorite VH Album

    fair warning
    Favorite VH Song

    unchained
    Last Online

    12.22.07 @ 11:11 AM
    Likes (Given)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Thanks (Given)
    0
    Thanks (Received)
    0

    agreed..

    You must take people for face value..Edd is an alcohalic and he is a cancer survivor .But he still smokes and drinks...Hes not the most responsable person in the world ...

    But everone makes their own bed..I enjoy his music Im a huge VH fan but I dont want to dwell on his personal habbits..Its just a big shame he doesnt see the writing on the wall.....
    " sometimes the best view of a plane crash is on a seat in the plane "

    " Tune in to what this place has got to offer because we may never be here again" (BBworlds)


    http://www.soundclick.com/members/de...=Joey+Tromollo

  8. #8
    Runnin' With The Devil

    Join Date
    03.12.04
    Posts
    1,622
    Posts Per Day
    0.21
    Last Online

    11.16.20 @ 07:56 AM
    Likes (Given)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    6
    Thanks (Given)
    10
    Thanks (Received)
    173

    Achievements:
    Well-Liked15,000 VHL Life PointsKnight Of Da Roundtable

    Default

    To my knowledge, none of us here know Eddie on any level. With all due respect to your friend, I don't see how you or anyone else here is even remotely qualified/able/in a position to comment on problems Eddie may or may not have or demons he may or may not be battling.

    I understand where you are coming from and I'm not trying to slam you or anything. Ya I think Eddie is an alcoholic and has been for a long time. But I don't know shit about Eddie really and at the end of day we are all just speculating, which can be a very dangerous game. We might think we know somebody based on whatever life experience we have, but chances are that unless you personally know that individual very well, then you aren't really in a position to make the observations you have made.

    I hope your friend finds a way to cage his demons.

  9. #9
    Take Your Whiskey Home
    Reckless Fable's Avatar
    Join Date
    03.30.02
    Age
    48
    Location
    San Francisco, CA
    Posts
    7,062
    Posts Per Day
    0.85
    Favorite VH Album

    All of them
    Favorite VH Song

    Girl Gone Bad, Hang 'em High
    Last Online

    02.04.25 @ 05:01 PM
    Likes (Given)
    1163
    Likes (Received)
    848
    Thanks (Given)
    1860
    Thanks (Received)
    2379

    Achievements:
    Master PraiserSupremely-LikedVHLinks Proud!50,000 VHL Life PointsThee King

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewThomas.net View Post
    Though it's not entirely true, when Ed was "on the wagon" from roughly '94 to '99, he gave off the impression that he was more objective, optimistic, and idealistic. Those are qualities often not found in someone lost in their alcoholism, so it would seem he was really trying to battle the illness away in at least a mental way.
    This was a point I was trying to work into my original post, but couldn't do it. You said it better than I could have anyway.

    It's funny, because my favorite Ed years were those around the Balance tour. You mentioned three characteristics that Ed displayed, and I felt that the man had never played better in his life. He was clean, aggressive and hungry. I saw him play 4 times on that tour and everyone couldn't believe how well Eddie sounded (even though he was immobilized by his hip).

    At that point, the dude was really trying to get his life on track, but part circumstance part deficient 15 year old emotional quotient, he just couldn't hold it together.

  10. #10
    Take Your Whiskey Home
    Reckless Fable's Avatar
    Join Date
    03.30.02
    Age
    48
    Location
    San Francisco, CA
    Posts
    7,062
    Posts Per Day
    0.85
    Favorite VH Album

    All of them
    Favorite VH Song

    Girl Gone Bad, Hang 'em High
    Last Online

    02.04.25 @ 05:01 PM
    Likes (Given)
    1163
    Likes (Received)
    848
    Thanks (Given)
    1860
    Thanks (Received)
    2379

    Achievements:
    Master PraiserSupremely-LikedVHLinks Proud!50,000 VHL Life PointsThee King

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by vhin04 View Post
    To my knowledge, none of us here know Eddie on any level. With all due respect to your friend, I don't see how you or anyone else here is even remotely qualified/able/in a position to comment on problems Eddie may or may not have or demons he may or may not be battling.

    I understand where you are coming from and I'm not trying to slam you or anything. Ya I think Eddie is an alcoholic and has been for a long time. But I don't know shit about Eddie really and at the end of day we are all just speculating, which can be a very dangerous game. We might think we know somebody based on whatever life experience we have, but chances are that unless you personally know that individual very well, then you aren't really in a position to make the observations you have made.

    I hope your friend finds a way to cage his demons.
    I hear where you are coming from, man. I understand that it is dangerous to speculate on someone who I don't know. I think it is dangerous to comment on specifics, just because we don't know what it truth and what isn't. However, just watching the YouTube videos of Ed since 2004, I can see a dude that displays some very classic symptoms of someone who is under the thumb of alcoholism. And not just someone with a drinking problem, but someone that has broken through to another level. Based on what I personally have witnessed with the guy, I'm worried that he is in real trouble.

  11. #11
    Banned!

    Join Date
    05.09.02
    Location
    vancouver, bc
    Posts
    1,375
    Posts Per Day
    0.17
    Last Online

    02.18.11 @ 09:09 PM
    Likes (Given)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Thanks (Given)
    0
    Thanks (Received)
    1

    Default

    to be fair ed him self acknowledged being a drunk.

    any discussions there on in are perfectly valid. you don't haveto know him to comment and play the armchair doctor.

    with that being said, ed's liver must be the size of a pinata.

    that dude doesn't have a long way to go, thats for sure. i really don't care too much about the vh legacy, dave killed the first incarnation, i just hope this latest scam is just ed trying to spend time with his kid because the writings on the wall.

  12. #12
    Hot For Teacher
    Lodewijk's Avatar
    Join Date
    02.15.03
    Age
    55
    Location
    Spring, TX.
    Posts
    13,543
    Posts Per Day
    1.69
    Favorite VH Album

    Fair Warning
    Favorite VH Song

    She's The Woman, Mean Street
    Last Online

    05.21.17 @ 07:59 AM
    Likes (Given)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    10
    Thanks (Given)
    3
    Thanks (Received)
    33


    Donor

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Reckless Fable View Post
    I hear where you are coming from, man. I understand that it is dangerous to speculate on someone who I don't know. I think it is dangerous to comment on specifics, just because we don't know what it truth and what isn't. However, just watching the YouTube videos of Ed since 2004, I can see a dude that displays some very classic symptoms of someone who is under the thumb of alcoholism. And not just someone with a drinking problem, but someone that has broken through to another level. Based on what I personally have witnessed with the guy, I'm worried that he is in real trouble.


    While I understand the thought, I don't think you can really compare the two......

    While, on some basic level, yes, they're alcoholics and have that in common, but your friend doesn't really have the benefit of thousands of adoring fans reminding him every day how fucked up and worthless he is, or how much his life and his art, just don't measure up to the standards of the past !

    Surly if he had that, he'd just snap out of it ! Gotta love the "tough love" approach.
    Lode's Facebook
    @Lode13 on Twitter

  13. #13
    Eruption
    tito5150's Avatar
    Join Date
    10.11.05
    Age
    61
    Location
    IOWA
    Posts
    266
    Posts Per Day
    0.04
    Favorite VH Album

    Fair warning
    Favorite VH Song

    unchained-Hear about it later
    Last Online

    01.23.18 @ 03:28 PM
    Likes (Given)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Thanks (Given)
    0
    Thanks (Received)
    0

    Default

    We can only hope for the best...

  14. #14
    Hang 'Em High
    TheresOnlyOneWay's Avatar
    Join Date
    04.13.04
    Location
    Avengers Tower
    Posts
    15,597
    Posts Per Day
    2.05
    Favorite VH Album

    Chickenfoot III
    Favorite VH Song

    Different Devil
    Last Online

    Yesterday @ 03:52 PM
    Likes (Given)
    1
    Likes (Received)
    717
    Thanks (Given)
    1
    Thanks (Received)
    1428


    Donor

    Achievements:
    VHLinks Proud!Supremely-Liked50,000 VHL Life PointsThee King

    Default

    I think the backlash from this tour is not going to be good for Ed in any fashion.
    Sammy did the impossible. He made Van Halen better. Deal with it.

  15. #15
    I'm The One
    darthadv's Avatar
    Join Date
    03.27.04
    Location
    Queens, NYC
    Posts
    2,511
    Posts Per Day
    0.33
    Favorite VH Album

    I, II, 1984
    Favorite VH Song

    Jump/D.O.A./Beautiful Girls
    Last Online

    01.05.12 @ 10:51 PM
    Likes (Given)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Thanks (Given)
    0
    Thanks (Received)
    36

    Default

    first off, definitely good luck with your friend...

    as for ed, you would think his brother would intervene at some point... who better? i'm sure that the drinking is what loused up ed's marriage... and ed's in his 50s, way to young to die... we may not know the specifics, but i think we're able to see the signs... it's unfortunate...

    we as fans don't get to look into his life... at best we're just enablers when we continue to buy product and tickets to see him live... we're hoping to see the expected brilliance of what he's capable of and then are discouraged if he doesn't show up at 100%...

    the other bad thing is that he's setting a really bad example for his son, and that may be the only way to get through to him... i'd hate to see teen wolf go down the path of the bottle, but look at what happened with ozzy's kid and drugs (he basically emulated his father, and got really messed up - he's apparently now been clean after a stint in rehab)... what would it take to scare ed straight? to see wolfgang get into major issues with alcohol himself?

    i don't pretend to know anything about dealing with someone's alcoholism, but if you have a loved one who you see cannot pull themselves from the wrong path, i think you have to jump in somewhere along the line before it's too late...

 

 

Similar Threads

  1. What are Ed's top five?
    By Iluv5150 in forum VH Songs/Albums/Videos
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: 04.15.05, 09:40 AM
  2. What are Ed's top five?
    By Iluv5150 in forum Main VH Discussion
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 03.25.05, 04:45 PM
  3. want a Kurzweil like Ed's?
    By twonabomber in forum Musicians' Corner
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 12.29.02, 10:29 PM
  4. Ed's '95 haircut
    By Dan Halen in forum Van Halen 101
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 07.31.01, 08:03 PM
  5. Ed's #1
    By stratogibson in forum Guitar Room
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 03.29.01, 11:37 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •