Just Another Excuse

**VHSoldier5150** · 01.14.07, 01:41 AM

So the announcement has been made, all of the principle figures involved have been notified, the internet's been abuzz, and what does this all amount to? Just another excuse. Out of the woodwork have come all of the Sam-bashers, the "RothBots", the EVH Apologists, the Redheads, and every other little faction within the VHlinks universe, and the battle lines have once again been drawn.

After three years of being snubbed, and the endless "F*** the RRHOF" comments, we've all finally gotten what we wanted, and Van Halen got what they deserved. They'll be inducted into the Rock n' Roll Hall Of Fame, and all anyone here can do, is bitch.

Why is it, that when some positive news comes out, all that's come of it has been a sharp increase in the mudslinging? Granted, this event will not be without it's drama, but why add more to it? One of the inductees has been vocal about it, and in doing so, was very humble and gracious, and honest even about the problems that could arise. The others involved, haven't even contributed that much. So the indications are that the event will be very interesting, and probably dramatic, most likely something out of a bad soap opera.

Granted, this forum's existence is all about the Van Halen fans expressing their opinions, does there have to be so much of this mudslinging? I believe that many of you have a career in politics, with the way you can tear down an opposing view, by calling into question one's intelligence, sanity, or even their sexuality.

Now, I understand that I'm not going to change a damn thing by writing this, and will most likely come under fire myself, for this. I am simply voicing my opinion. I am a fan of both eras, both lead singers, the bass player, the drummer, and that guitar guy, what's-his-name. I just get frustrated with the idiocy, on this forum, from time to time.

Finally, I know that I've been long-winded here, congratulations to Edward, Alex, Michael, Dave and Sammy. This is a much deserved honour, and a long time coming. Thank you to each member of the band, for their individual contributions to the overall legacy of the Mighty Van Halen. And gentlemen, put the bullshit aside, check your egos at the door, get on stage and put on a show that justifies your induction. Two songs, Sam and Dave, head to head, and give it all up for the fans. They're the reason why you're even there, and it's time to do what's best for the fans, for a change. Give us what we want. We Want Van Halen!!! And we want it NOW!!!

**batch** · 01.14.07, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by VHSoldier5150

congratulations to Edward, Alex, Michael, Dave and Sammy. This is a much deserved honour, and a long time coming. Thank you to each member of the band, for their individual contributions to the overall legacy of the Mighty Van Halen. And gentlemen, put the bullshit aside, check your egos at the door, get on stage and put on a show that justifies your induction. Two songs, Sam and Dave, head to head, and give it all up for the fans. They're the reason why you're even there, and it's time to do what's best for the fans, for a change. Give us what we want. We Want Van Halen!!! And we want it NOW!!!

Right said!

**belikemike** · 01.14.07, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by VHSoldier5150

So the announcement has been made, all of the principle figures involved have been notified, the internet's been abuzz, and what does this all amount to? Just another excuse. Out of the woodwork have come all of the Sam-bashers, the "RothBots", the EVH Apologists, the Redheads, and every other little faction within the VHlinks universe, and the battle lines have once again been drawn.

After three years of being snubbed, and the endless "F*** the RRHOF" comments, we've all finally gotten what we wanted, and Van Halen got what they deserved. They'll be inducted into the Rock n' Roll Hall Of Fame, and all anyone here can do, is bitch.

Why is it, that when some positive news comes out, all that's come of it has been a sharp increase in the mudslinging? Granted, this event will not be without it's drama, but why add more to it? One of the inductees has been vocal about it, and in doing so, was very humble and gracious, and honest even about the problems that could arise. The others involved, haven't even contributed that much. So the indications are that the event will be very interesting, and probably dramatic, most likely something out of a bad soap opera.

Granted, this forum's existence is all about the Van Halen fans expressing their opinions, does there have to be so much of this mudslinging? I believe that many of you have a career in politics, with the way you can tear down an opposing view, by calling into question one's intelligence, sanity, or even their sexuality.

Now, I understand that I'm not going to change a damn thing by writing this, and will most likely come under fire myself, for this. I am simply voicing my opinion. I am a fan of both eras, both lead singers, the bass player, the drummer, and that guitar guy, what's-his-name. I just get frustrated with the idiocy, on this forum, from time to time.

Finally, I know that I've been long-winded here, congratulations to Edward, Alex, Michael, Dave and Sammy. This is a much deserved honour, and a long time coming. Thank you to each member of the band, for their individual contributions to the overall legacy of the Mighty Van Halen. And gentlemen, put the bullshit aside, check your egos at the door, get on stage and put on a show that justifies your induction. Two songs, Sam and Dave, head to head, and give it all up for the fans. They're the reason why you're even there, and it's time to do what's best for the fans, for a change. Give us what we want. We Want Van Halen!!! And we want it NOW!!!

Very intelligent post.

**cav** · 01.14.07, 04:14 AM

Nice post ... the way you close out touches a cord.
I believe alot of the negative posting around here comes
from the fact that the fans feel secondary to anything
VH does. You mention a song for song HOF deal with SAm / Dave
That makes perfect sense and I applaud that.... Now let's see
how VH handles the obvious... They should do the right thing
for the "fans".... It seems the "fans" are sick and tired of waiting
for this too happen, hence the backlash on this "Fan" site.

Sam vs. Dave ? who really cares at this point? Just ROCK for GODS SAKE !!

**againstthewind** · 01.14.07, 04:29 AM

Well said and hope you get home soon.

**mickbass** · 01.14.07, 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by VHSoldier5150

So the announcement has been made, all of the principle figures involved have been notified, the internet's been abuzz, and what does this all amount to? Just another excuse. Out of the woodwork have come all of the Sam-bashers, the "RothBots", the EVH Apologists, the Redheads, and every other little faction within the VHlinks universe, and the battle lines have once again been drawn.

After three years of being snubbed, and the endless "F*** the RRHOF" comments, we've all finally gotten what we wanted, and Van Halen got what they deserved. They'll be inducted into the Rock n' Roll Hall Of Fame, and all anyone here can do, is bitch.

Why is it, that when some positive news comes out, all that's come of it has been a sharp increase in the mudslinging? Granted, this event will not be without it's drama, but why add more to it? One of the inductees has been vocal about it, and in doing so, was very humble and gracious, and honest even about the problems that could arise. The others involved, haven't even contributed that much. So the indications are that the event will be very interesting, and probably dramatic, most likely something out of a bad soap opera.

Granted, this forum's existence is all about the Van Halen fans expressing their opinions, does there have to be so much of this mudslinging? I believe that many of you have a career in politics, with the way you can tear down an opposing view, by calling into question one's intelligence, sanity, or even their sexuality.

Now, I understand that I'm not going to change a damn thing by writing this, and will most likely come under fire myself, for this. I am simply voicing my opinion. I am a fan of both eras, both lead singers, the bass player, the drummer, and that guitar guy, what's-his-name. I just get frustrated with the idiocy, on this forum, from time to time.

Finally, I know that I've been long-winded here, congratulations to Edward, Alex, Michael, Dave and Sammy. This is a much deserved honour, and a long time coming. Thank you to each member of the band, for their individual contributions to the overall legacy of the Mighty Van Halen. And gentlemen, put the bullshit aside, check your egos at the door, get on stage and put on a show that justifies your induction. Two songs, Sam and Dave, head to head, and give it all up for the fans. They're the reason why you're even there, and it's time to do what's best for the fans, for a change. Give us what we want. We Want Van Halen!!! And we want it NOW!!!

Excellent!

**Interceptor** · 01.14.07, 04:56 AM

Originally Posted by cav

Nice post ... the way you close out touches a cord.
I believe alot of the negative posting around here comes
from the fact that the fans feel secondary to anything
VH does.

Very well put with that statement. I've always kinda thought that. I love VH, but us fans I guess don't necessarily feel that back. I've seen Sammy's "VH wall of fame" in Cabo, and that award from WB congratulating VH for selling 60 million records worldwide was, well, because of us fans. It would feel good to feel like it was all about us and our passion for their music for once.

Also, I agree with you too againstthewind. Thank you vhsoldier for your service. You're there so I don't have to be (that's the way I feel at least). Means a lot to me, thank you and do come home safe.

**Downtown Stevie** · 01.14.07, 05:48 AM

Very Nice indeed! It would be nice for just one night for all the guys to put everything aside all the issues and just jam and have a good time.

**Wolfgang Bob** · 01.14.07, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by VHSoldier5150

They'll be inducted into the Rock n' Roll Hall Of Fame, and all anyone here can do, is bitch.

You haven't been around here in awhile have you? That's all the Links are for, bitch fest!! RARLEY do you some civilized conversation on this board and it's a shame. What's really sad is that it's well known (bitch fest)on other guitar forums (not related to VH) about this place.............

**318joe** · 01.14.07, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by VHSoldier5150

So the announcement has been made, all of the principle figures involved have been notified, the internet's been abuzz, and what does this all amount to? Just another excuse. Out of the woodwork have come all of the Sam-bashers, the "RothBots", the EVH Apologists, the Redheads, and every other little faction within the VHlinks universe, and the battle lines have once again been drawn.

After three years of being snubbed, and the endless "F*** the RRHOF" comments, we've all finally gotten what we wanted, and Van Halen got what they deserved. They'll be inducted into the Rock n' Roll Hall Of Fame, and all anyone here can do, is bitch.

Why is it, that when some positive news comes out, all that's come of it has been a sharp increase in the mudslinging? Granted, this event will not be without it's drama, but why add more to it? One of the inductees has been vocal about it, and in doing so, was very humble and gracious, and honest even about the problems that could arise. The others involved, haven't even contributed that much. So the indications are that the event will be very interesting, and probably dramatic, most likely something out of a bad soap opera.

Granted, this forum's existence is all about the Van Halen fans expressing their opinions, does there have to be so much of this mudslinging? I believe that many of you have a career in politics, with the way you can tear down an opposing view, by calling into question one's intelligence, sanity, or even their sexuality.

Now, I understand that I'm not going to change a damn thing by writing this, and will most likely come under fire myself, for this. I am simply voicing my opinion. I am a fan of both eras, both lead singers, the bass player, the drummer, and that guitar guy, what's-his-name. I just get frustrated with the idiocy, on this forum, from time to time.

Finally, I know that I've been long-winded here, congratulations to Edward, Alex, Michael, Dave and Sammy. This is a much deserved honour, and a long time coming. Thank you to each member of the band, for their individual contributions to the overall legacy of the Mighty Van Halen. And gentlemen, put the bullshit aside, check your egos at the door, get on stage and put on a show that justifies your induction. Two songs, Sam and Dave, head to head, and give it all up for the fans. They're the reason why you're even there, and it's time to do what's best for the fans, for a change. Give us what we want. We Want Van Halen!!! And we want it NOW!!!

very well said

**VHSoldier5150** · 01.14.07, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Wolfgang Bob

You haven't been around here in awhile have you? That's all the Links are for, bitch fest!! RARLEY do you some civilized conversation on this board and it's a shame. What's really sad is that it's well known (bitch fest)on other guitar forums (not related to VH) about this place.............

Oh, I've been on from time to time. That post was the culmination of years of frustration, with the endless bitching. I respect everyone's opinion, and their right to it, but I am just tired of there being nothing more than insults in everyone's post. No real substance, or even rational thought comes from some people. A lot of people seem to harbor some deep personal resentment for one artist or the other. Where it comes from, I don't know. Maybe their mothers were groupies that Dave wouldn't sleep with, or something, I don't know. Either way, I doubt that any of them know either one of these people personally, and I don't understand the hatred. Anyway, I'm rambling again.

On another note, I am home from Iraq. I just haven't updated my profile, yet. Though, I may be going back, eventually. And if so, so be it. Let's not start any political debates on that one. It's my job, and I'm proud to serve. So if I get the call again, I'll go, no questions asked.

**mickbass** · 01.14.07, 09:31 AM

[QUOTE=VHSoldier5150;707732]Oh, I've been on from time to time. That post was the culmination of years of frustration, with the endless bitching. I respect everyone's opinion, and their right to it, but I am just tired of there being nothing more than insults in everyone's post. No real substance, or even rational thought comes from some people. A lot of people seem to harbor some deep personal resentment for one artist or the other. Where it comes from, I don't know. Maybe their mothers were groupies that Dave wouldn't sleep with, or something, I don't know. Either way, I doubt that any of them know either one of these people personally, and I don't understand the hatred. Anyway, I'm rambling again.

True.It seems that many think that VH is the DLR band,and they get frustrated...

**Ashe** · 01.14.07, 09:37 AM

I think that whenever there are personnel changes in a band, it is enevitable that there are going to be divisions in the fanbase. And those fanbases feel they need to make their case heard louder than the others.

Any time Van Halen is given recognition for their accomplishments, it is going to ignite the Dave vs Sammy arguments. I mean, that's just a given. And now you have the Michael Anthony issue, and all of the other stuff this band has been through. Its so complicated! Anyone expecting them or the fans to put aside all that baggage is asking for a lot.

Van Halen will always be surrounded in confusion. Once Van Halen fans accept that, its a lot easier to live with. Its unfortunate that their mind blowing music is sometimes pushed to the side because of the wacky decisions they've made.

Stay safe VHSoldier5150!

**dropdeadlegs** · 01.14.07, 10:02 AM

Insightful post.

I never thought about before but Van Halen fans (particularly on the 'Links) have become a microcosm of the band. Out of all the "mudslinging" between fans creates a chemistry that makes Van Halen fans some of the most loyal out there.