bad wolfgang and ebmm copies!

**tommywho5150** · 12.12.06, 11:53 AM

i was browsing ebay today looking for an xmas bargain (for myself) basically im looking for another wolfgang this one im gonna stripe and fit a sustainer and i came accroos this absolute abortion...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...ADME:B:SS:UK:1

and i was wondering if anyone else had spotted some truly terrible copies of wolfgangs and ebmm's
i seem to remeber quite a lot of ebmm copies during the mid 90's but for the life of me i cant remember many wolfie copies.

please post links for all u find, lets name em and shame em people.

**Wolfgang_'99** · 12.12.06, 02:53 PM

I already have a thread exactally like this called faux wolfgang, sorry.

**G3fan** · 12.12.06, 03:56 PM

I'd buy it if I could. I don't think it's supposed to really be a copy. Not a bad looking guitar.

AT · 12.12.06, 06:44 PM

There is a really bad EBMM copy: It's called the OLP MM1. People swear by those guitars and their "value"; I bought one to keep at the music store I teach at, and it was a complete piece of shit.

**tommywho5150** · 12.13.06, 12:46 AM

i quite like the olp, ive played a few and they seem alright, i'd say they were perfect for upgrades the kinda guitar u can re-paint and change the pups,trem etc when u want without fear of ruining a great guitar.

AT · 12.13.06, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by tommywho5150

i quite like the olp, ive played a few and they seem alright, i'd say they were perfect for upgrades the kinda guitar u can re-paint and change the pups,trem etc when u want without fear of ruining a great guitar.

I haven't played one that had decent frets or a neck that could stay in adjustment longer than three days in a row.

Why fear doing mods on an expensive guitar? Or, from another angle, why buy an expensive guitar that requires mods?

For me a quality guitar is in the materials as much as the craftsmanship, and the OLP falls short. If you can't tell the difference, then I am indeed envious.

**EJC** · 12.13.06, 06:18 AM

That's actually a pretty cool looking guitar. Peavey/EBMM type body with a Strat headstock... If that's the kind of thing Ed is working on with Fender, it may be worth looking at. My only complaint with Wolfgang's is that the headstock is so small, I have a bitch of a time changing the g,b,e strings without drawing blood at least once....

AT · 12.13.06, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by EJC

That's actually a pretty cool looking guitar. Peavey/EBMM type body with a Strat headstock... If that's the kind of thing Ed is working on with Fender, it may be worth looking at. My only complaint with Wolfgang's is that the headstock is so small, I have a bitch of a time changing the g,b,e strings without drawing blood at least once....

Wrap the strings backwards--ball end in tuner. I've strung my Wolfies up that way for years.

**lil'devil** · 12.13.06, 01:23 PM

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...ADME:B:SS:UK:1

i love the look of this guitar.

i might even buy it.

**G3fan** · 12.13.06, 04:32 PM

Looks like a Warmoth, which I hear nothing but good things about. Good luck to whomever won.

**HipCat5** · 12.14.06, 05:06 AM

There's something to be said about doing a lot with a little. Cheap guitars can be setup & enhanced to play quite well IMHO. Its just a matter of making the right choices and putting the work into it. It is true that if one is looking for tolerances of 1/32 of an inch, you might want a high-end guitar. If you're a little more tolerant of a player, however, you can save money getting something a bit less expensive and one can learn a bit about setups, frets, pickup replacement, etc.

AT · 12.14.06, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by HipCat5

There's something to be said about doing a lot with a little. Cheap guitars can be setup & enhanced to play quite well IMHO. Its just a matter of making the right choices and putting the work into it. It is true that if one is looking for tolerances of 1/32 of an inch, you might want a high-end guitar. If you're a little more tolerant of a player, however, you can save money getting something a bit less expensive and one can learn a bit about setups, frets, pickup replacement, etc.

Well, yeah, some guitars are well worth the money, whether that be a lot or a little amount of money. I've been really wanting a hollow body guitar for some time now, but the ones I ever played and liked cost $2,000 or more--except for the Ibanez Artcore series; they seemed to be pretty consistently decent. So I bought one last week. The pickups suck, and I'll need to change them out at some point, but it's otherwide alright. If its construction stands the test of time will be something else.

On the flipside, what Gibson charges for their guitars nowadays is just plain absurd. You pay for the name as much as you pay for the guitar. And as long as people keep buying them, the prices will stay high. I swear my Wolfgang Standard Deluxe guitars are as well built--if not better--than a Les Paul flame top, I never paid more than $1,350 for one of them new. (What's a top-of-the line production model Les Paul now, $2,500?)

Regarding modifying cheap guitars, yes there's definitely a lot that can be done to make a cheaper guitar better. But in the end if you have to do a fret level (not something that can be done by an amateur), replace pickups and electronics, and replace hardware, why go to all the trouble? Better to just buy a mid-level guitar that's already ready already. (The PRS SE series are super-impressive for being imports--an excellent mid-level guitar.)

Morning yapping...