vh- the early years dvd

[JMJ]

finally saw it after i bought it. no wonder the guys were so fucking pissed at dave for so long and still ae to some extent..the way he left the band. jamming with his new band with vai behind vh's back.

interesting stuff nonetheless.

funny too how ed was the one who wanted mikey in the band cuz he loved mike's playing

at the end when they showed that short clip of sam and ed, it made the hagar era seem like it was no big deal. i felt strange after watching the whole thing. was kinda odd.

[Rovus]

no wonder the guys were so fucking pissed at dave for so long and still ae to some extent..the way he left the band. jamming with his new band with vai behind vh's back.

I don't buy that particular segment. To be honest, I dunno if Dave could find the time to jam with Vai and Sheehan while supposed to be recording the follow-up album to 1984. Besides, the guy who makes that claim doesn't really elaborate on it.

It is a very reasonable doco with good interviews, pictures, and stories. Many people complain about the lack of VH music on it. The producer of the documentary came on the Links at the time and said that he tried his best to obtain rights to use the music but which were denied to him.

[JMJ]

either way you slice it, he fuckin bailed on them

and when you watch the story and see just how powerful they were, no wonder the rest of the guys were salty

i remember on the dvd they said why they wondered after their connection with simmons, they couldn't get an opening slot with them or anywhere at the time. kiss knew, or simmons rather, knew vh would blow em off the stage.

made you see just how incredible the band was...the legend they had

eddie must battle with that in his head every day

i think they all do

gotta be hard to swallow

[Rovus]

I know. It's hard watching Mark Stone in his interviews. You really feel for the guy with his pain and disappointment in his words especially when he says that he was asked by Alex to leave the band.

[I'm_your_IceCreamMan]

I know. It's hard watching Mark Stone in his interviews. You really feel for the guy with his pain and disappointment in his words especially when he says that he was asked by Alex to leave the band.

My sentiments exactly. Guy still hasn't gotten over it. Thats a life-long bitter pill to swallow.

[The J Man]

I know. It's hard watching Mark Stone in his interviews. You really feel for the guy with his pain and disappointment in his words especially when he says that he was asked by Alex to leave the band.

Just goes to show you how big of an asshole AVH really is.

[Van Squalen]

either way you slice it, he fuckin bailed on them

Bingo.

[cam-5150]

Just goes to show you how big of an asshole AVH really is.

Wuh?

[79th and Sunset]

OK, now I am going to have to get this, thanks J !!

[philj]

I just wanted to say thanks for the site Brett,thanks for the Bikini threads and the cool videos and keep up the great work all you Halen Heads out there

Later

[Axxman300]

Just goes to show you how big of an asshole AVH really is.

You'll have to explain that one.

See, I've actually been in a band AND I've been fired or kicked out. I've also kicked guys out of bands too. It's all about chemistry, do you want to see this guy's face every night? Maybe he's a great guy but you need more commitment. The higher up you want to take your band the more hard-core you need to be I've worked with some talented players who liked their day jobs so their job came first. Other guys were just plain wierd, wierder than Eddie, they lived in their own time-zones and showed up to practice "Whenever" and also left "Whenever". Last but not least you've got ego to deal with and some guys don't work well with others. They're great musicians and performers and they know it and they treat everyone else like surfs. They think that they're special and that rules are for other people.

So it could have been anything .

I have news for you, you have to have a thick skin to "Make It" in the entertainment industry. You have to make the hard and harsh choices or someone will make them for you. Ask any musician and they'll list dozens of bands that never went anywhere - great bands too - because they didn't have the balls to cut one of their guys loose. A guy who was probably a childhood friend but didn't fit in or put out and the rest of the band had to carry him. If they'd cowboy'd up and kicked him out they could have been huge, but they didn't. It doesn't make you an asshole, it makes you a survivor and it also makes you a winner. You can't take it personally either, it's part of the game. If you get all pissy about it nobody will work with you again. The industry will usually measure you by how you deal with failure anyway.

If Alex hadn't done what he did, the odds are very good that this board wouldn't exist because Van Halen might never would have gotten out of the Los Angeles club scene. It's all about chemistry, if you don't believe me then ask Gary Cherone. He's a great singer and is great on stage but he just didn't fit in Van Halen.

Being a rock musician isn't for cry-babies.

[vhwithroth05]

You'll have to explain that one.

See, I've actually been in a band AND I've been fired or kicked out. I've also kicked guys out of bands too. It's all about chemistry, do you want to see this guy's face every night? Maybe he's a great guy but you need more commitment. The higher up you want to take your band the more hard-core you need to be I've worked with some talented players who liked their day jobs so their job came first. Other guys were just plain wierd, wierder than Eddie, they lived in their own time-zones and showed up to practice "Whenever" and also left "Whenever". Last but not least you've got ego to deal with and some guys don't work well with others. They're great musicians and performers and they know it and they treat everyone else like surfs. They think that they're special and that rules are for other people.

So it could have been anything .

I have news for you, you have to have a thick skin to "Make It" in the entertainment industry. You have to make the hard and harsh choices or someone will make them for you. Ask any musician and they'll list dozens of bands that never went anywhere - great bands too - because they didn't have the balls to cut one of their guys loose. A guy who was probably a childhood friend but didn't fit in or put out and the rest of the band had to carry him. If they'd cowboy'd up and kicked him out they could have been huge, but they didn't. It doesn't make you an asshole, it makes you a survivor and it also makes you a winner. You can't take it personally either, it's part of the game. If you get all pissy about it nobody will work with you again. The industry will usually measure you by how you deal with failure anyway.

If Alex hadn't done what he did, the odds are very good that this board wouldn't exist because Van Halen might never would have gotten out of the Los Angeles club scene. It's all about chemistry, if you don't believe me then ask Gary Cherone. He's a great singer and is great on stage but he just didn't fit in Van Halen.

Being a rock musician isn't for cry-babies.

Well said. It is a cut throat buisness.

[Brett]

If you're trying to make it in the business, you get the right players. Clearly Mark Stone wasn't the right guy for Van Halen, I see nothing wrong with giving him the boot. I've kicked guys out of bands before too, BFD. It goes with the territory. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

[Double Down]

So I'm getting the vibe that you all like this DVD? I've always been hesitant to buy it but it sounds like you all think it's pretty legit....??

[Brett]

I don't know, I watched it years ago when I first got it. Haven't looked at it since. I thought it was pretty boring myself, apart from getting to see Mark Stone and hearing some of his stories.