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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    The LA school of shred, which was basically the EVH school of chops.

    The two solo's in Ratt's "Back for more," illustrate the movement:
    Wide bends and insanely fluid, left hand pull offs.
    Lots of Dorian, Aeloian & pentatonic scales.

    They weren't sweep picking or string skipping arpeggios.
    I like to think that Jake/George/Warren were the love children of both Eddie & Randy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    I may have to listen again. I've buried that album deep in the recess of my mind. I go by memory and my memory is shot.

    A lot of music from that time I haven't heard since I was 13.
    There is a lot of the mid tempo rocker on ULK, but to me that was Dokken's wheelhouse anyway.

    As others have said, I don't think they were at their best when they were trying to burn the frets off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    There is a lot of the mid tempo rocker on ULK, but to me that was Dokken's wheelhouse anyway.

    As others have said, I don't think they were at their best when they were trying to burn the frets off.
    That band could never breakthrough to the big leagues. I wonder if it was because Don Dokken didn't have that lead singer "it" factor. Great voice though imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    I remember Lynch complaining in GFTPM, that Warren was regressing as a player, after being
    so "hot" on Out of the cellar.

    And Jake E. Lee fired back: He is maturing, not regressing. Warren found his true style.

    But, to Lynch, not keeping up with the competition was falling behind.
    Yeah, I don't know, was it his past? Struggling on the Strip. losing the Ozzy gig...
    It was like the competition never stopped. You'd think after all the success they were having, in the 80's, the years of praise from fellow musicians, guitar mags, he might've realized he was doing something right.

    Ultimately, being the fastest player was never gonna change much. Good songs do that.

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    I was kind of alluding to the fact that George like Eddie and Randy were of a different generation of guitar players. They all were on the strip in the mid 70's. Guess Dave Menkatti would be another guy.
    Being challenged by each other. One of them was going to be the first to be signed nationally and that was Eddie. 2nd was Randy. I can't recall if George tried out for Ozzy during that first round but if he had, Randy was chosen. Randy gave him his gig at Musiconai. Jake, Warren, Vivian, Carlos, etc were another generation of guitar players that came to the scene after the scene broke out. However George had been around. Passed by and now put in with another group only a few years younger. However a few years earlier he was in the band that got blown away by VH.

    Then Yngwie came on and it then spawned another of guitarists. He just wanted to keep up instead of just being George Lynch I guess. I just think he has had this edge to him because he wasn't Randy or Eddie. The guy who got recognized earlier.

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    I think if George looked liked a rockstar he would have gotten the gig over Jake in a heartbeat for Ozzy. OO wanted a certain image, and GL didn't have it.

    Eddie/Randy/George were definitely in a league of their own. When Eddie & Randy "made it" that put George in a class with Jake & Warren. The rest of the LA rockers were not exactly recognized on their level, even if some of them were just as good. The whole Schrapnel school was a different animal.

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    This rocks ...

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    So does this ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    So does this ...

    Me and a high school buddy used to play this song. Very cool tune!!
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    George Lynch aka The King of The Flattened 5th ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naked Wake View Post
    indeed. You really have/had to be a guitar player to appreciate the work of Yngwie/Gilbert/MacAlpine/Vinnie Moore, etc. That whole Shrapnel school of shred. I mean, I love those guys. I really loved David T. Chastain (though he was a bit more elusive) but Lynch/Jake/De Martini had the appeal of a wider audience.
    It was a different school, very much post Yngwie/fast alternate picking, with classical
    overtones.

    There was always this gothic/Phrygian element, where the LA school was a different vibe.

    This was always my fave Chastain tune, and a good example of that school of playing:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naked Wake View Post
    I think if George looked liked a rockstar he would have gotten the gig over Jake in a heartbeat for Ozzy. OO wanted a certain image, and GL didn't have it.
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    I wouldn't put a lot of stock in that. Ozzy's first choice when he went solo was Gary Moore who was never a pretty boy guitarist. Moore turned down Ozzy due to Osbourne's notorious personal and professional reputation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    It was a different school, very much post Yngwie/fast alternate picking, with classical
    overtones.

    There was always this gothic/Phrygian element, where the LA school was a different vibe.

    This was always my fave Chastain tune, and a good example of that school of playing:

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    I love that tune, and that album as a whole. I still have it on vinyl, but I haven't listened to it in a couple of decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.B. View Post
    I wouldn't put a lot of stock in that. Ozzy's first choice when he went solo was Gary Moore who was never a pretty boy guitarist. Moore turned down Ozzy due to Osbourne's notorious personal and professional reputation.
    you're probably right, but George is definitely a better guitarist than Jake is/was. It's hard to think a part of it wasn't due to looks/attitude/edge

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    George Lynch aka The King of The Flattened 5th ...
    I remember a music lesson from about a decade ago and my teacher said that Lynch used the flattened 5th in almost all of his compositions, he called it the Devil's Note.

    Don't know why I remember that, but it stuck out at the time. I don't know Lynch's playing well enough to say how accurate that is, so I remember thinking at the time "really? Wow."
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