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    I have no tolerance for anybody who criticizes Israel. In my book they are beyond reproach. You're just an antisemite plain and simple.

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    That they are, but that doesn’t mean their government or military is beyond reproach. That’s like saying someone who disagrees with something our government or military does is anti-American. I sure as hell don’t agree with everything our leaders do. It’s possible to love the people and still disagree with their leaders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    I have no tolerance for anybody who criticizes Israel. In my book they are beyond reproach. You're just an antisemite plain and simple.

    The most persecuted people in human history.
    You’ve gotta see how this is the same reasoning that BLM and social justice warriors have been using lately. The agree completely or be painted with the same racist, or in this case antisemitic brush. That’s bullshit. One can disagree with the government and nation of Israel and not be antisemitic.

    And who cares what a cranky old rock star who is well past his creative prime has to say?
    "Always hopeful, yet discontent,
    He knows changes aren't permanent
    But change is!"

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    Perhaps I was a bit ott but that's how strongly I feel about it. It's a very fine line between criticizing out of a true affection and going overboard which is what many antisemites do. If Israel packed up and left the Middle East tomorrow they would still be hated for something else. It's eternal. It's like their lot in life. As an American I have nothing to criticize their leaders or goverment about. You can have oppression and genocide all over the world but only Israel will catch heat by the international community. Everybody knows it too.

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    It’s really all about the music anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    I have no tolerance for anybody who criticizes Israel. In my book they are beyond reproach. You're just an antisemite plain and simple.

    The most persecuted people in human history.
    This is worth a read, Chris. I am not a great fan of the Israeli government and I don't like that America's foreign policy is so blatantly skewed in favor of Israel. My best friend (and best man at my wedding 20 plus years ago) is Jewish. I have other Jewish friends, acquaintances, and colleagues, all of whom I respect and value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy007 View Post
    That they are, but that doesn’t mean their government or military is beyond reproach. That’s like saying someone who disagrees with something our government or military does is anti-American. I sure as hell don’t agree with everything our leaders do. It’s possible to love the people and still disagree with their leaders.
    I'm Jewish and have family in Haifa and Jerusalem. But I still criticize their government. Harshly. It's a bigger disappointment, as you expect them to do better. However Roger Water's BDS, that's a bridge too far. If you're going to do BDS, then you'd have to do it to every country that crosses the line, not just Israel. So I'm a bit suspicious of that.

    But I'll say it loud and clear, the current leader of Israel is a crook and should be behind bars. He's the great shame of the Jewish people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VH1986 View Post
    This is worth a read, Chris. I am not a great fan of the Israeli government and I don't like that America's foreign policy is so blatantly skewed in favor of Israel. My best friend (and best man at my wedding 20 plus years ago) is Jewish. I have other Jewish friends, acquaintances, and colleagues, all of whom I respect and value.

    https://www.pewforum.org/2016/03/08/...l-and-the-u-s/
    That was a interesting read and I kinda instinctively knew how it would break down from just observing over the years.

    There's a reason that our government skews so favorably towards Israel.

    To be blunt. Muslims in the Middle East hate Jews and Americans and always will. Israel is surrounded by their enemies. Can you imagine if the United States had Iran on its Southern border and Afghanistan on its Northern? Notice how I said Muslims and not extreme Muslims. Even the "peace loving" ones still view Israel negatively. I've never heard in my life one Muslim admit that Jews belong there. When was the last time a leader of a hostile Muslim country stepped foot into Israel?

    And the educational system that teaches Jews are dogs or whatever? Won't even get into that. It's the circle of life. One Jew hater dies...another is born.
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    Frederick the Great once asked his physician to give him proof for the existence of God.
    His reply was....Your majesty the continued existence of the Jews.
    It's true the Jewish people are the most persecuted race and religion in the world since creation or if you don't believe the big bang then. From Abraham to modern day Israel they have been hunted like game to destroy them. Yet they miraculously survive.

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    bad situation and i'm glad we are on their side. But they (and we) have to make sure they keep their side of the fight on the up and up. Sucks when the other side doesn''t fight fair, but if you don't, then you are no better. Some great men have tried and I think they have achieved peace for brief periods, but the hatred is just passed on. But I don't think a rock 'n roller is going to solve it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billy007 View Post
    bad situation and i'm glad we are on their side. But they (and we) have to make sure they keep their side of the fight on the up and up. Sucks when the other side doesn''t fight fair, but if you don't, then you are no better. Some great men have tried and I think they have achieved peace for brief periods, but the hatred is just passed on. But I don't think a rock 'n roller is going to solve it.
    Most of the time, a rock'n'roller can't even keep his own band together, let alone bring peace to the middle east!
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    Hear David Gilmour’s First New Song in Five Years ‘Yes, I Have Ghosts’

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    Pink Floyd Expand and Upgrade ‘Delicate Sound of Thunder’ for Reissue

    Concert film has been remastered in 4K and David Gilmour has remixed the sound, adding several tracks to the live album

    Pink Floyd will re-release Delicate Sound of Thunder — a document of their blockbuster tour supporting 1987’s A Momentary Lapse of Reason — this fall in a variety of formats.

    The concert film, which has been restored and re-edited from the original 35mm film and remixed into 5.1 surround sound, will be available on Blu-ray and DVD, while the live album, which was certified three times platinum in its original release, will be available in sets of two CDs, three LPs or a deluxe, four-disc set with bonus tracks. All of the versions will be available on November 20th.

    The restored film and soundtrack were previously available only as part of the box set The Later Years. The new editions each come with a 24-page photo booklet, while the deluxe edition sports a 40-page booklet, poster and postcards. The double-CD version contains eight songs not on the original release, while the triple-vinyl edition has nine.

    The Momentary Lapse of Reason tour documented on the release marked a rebirth for Pink Floyd. Singer-guitarist David Gilmour and drummer Nick Mason had won the rights to the band’s name after a legal tussle with bassist Roger Waters, who had left the group a few years earlier. They brought back keyboardist Rick Wright, who had been fired around the making of The Wall, and made A Momentary Lapse, which made it up to Number Three in the U.S. and solidified their place as an act that could play arenas and stadiums. They ended up playing to more than 4.25 million fans around the world over the course of more than two years.

    The band’s August 1988 stop at Long Island, New York’s Nassau Coliseum served as the basis for Delicate Sound of Thunder. Director Wayne Isham used more than 100 cans of 35mm negatives to capture the concert. Film editor Benny Trickett took the film, since remastered in 4K, and worked with Aubrey Powell — a cofounder of the graphic arts group Hipgnosis, which created many iconic Pink Floyd covers, including Delicate Sound of Thunder — and assembled the new cut. Gilmour worked on the new release’s sound with engineer Andy Jackson and assistant David Iddins.

    “The Delicate Sound film was shot on 35-millimeter, and it now looks and sounds stunning on Blu-ray,” Rolling Stone wrote in a review of The Later Years. “Gilmour’s solos soar, and you can see how gracefully he and everyone could move between the lasers in the baggy clothing of the era, and saxophonist Scott Page’s uber-mullet looks positively unreal as he juggles saxes. It’s the jewel of the collection.”

    Delicate Sound of Thunder Blu-ray Tracklist

    1. “Shine on You Crazy Diamond, Parts 1-5”
    2. “Signs of Life”
    3. “Learning to Fly”
    4. “Sorrow”
    5. “The Dogs of War”
    6. “On the Turning Away”
    7. “One of These Days”
    8. “Time”
    9. “On the Run”
    10. “The Great Gig in the Sky”
    11. “Wish You Were Here”
    12. “Us and Them”
    13. “Money”
    14. “Comfortably Numb”
    15. “One Slip”
    16. “Run Like Hell”

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    1. Shine On You Crazy Diamond Parts 1-5
    2. Signs Of Life
    3. Learning To Fly
    4. Yet Another Movie
    5. Round And Around
    6. A New Machine Part 1
    7. Terminal Frost
    8. A New Machine Part 2
    9. Sorrow
    10. The Dogs Of War
    11. On The Turning Away

    CD2
    1. One Of These Days
    2. Time
    3. On The Run
    4. The Great Gig In The Sky
    5. Wish You Were Here
    6. Welcome To The Machine
    7. Us And Them
    8. Money
    9. Another Brick In The Wall Part 2
    10. Comfortably Numb
    11. One Slip
    12. Run Like Hell

    Blu-ray and DVD
    1. Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Parts 1-5
    2. Signs Of Life
    3. Learning To Fly
    4. Sorrow
    5. The Dogs Of War
    6. On The Turning Away
    7. One Of These Days
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    10. The Great Gig In The Sky
    11. Wish You Were Here
    12. Us And Them
    13. Money
    14. Comfortably Numb
    15. One Slip
    16. Run Like Hell

    Bonus tracks
    1. Yet Another Movie
    2. Round And Around
    3. A New Machine Part 1
    4. Terminal Frost
    5. A New Machine Part 2

    https://www.loudersound.com/news/pin...w-home-release
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    Excellent! Always loved that live album. I look forward to hearing more of it.

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