Van Halen-It still could be huge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vic Vega_0609]

All right, assuming Van Halen reunites with Dave (and that's a GIGANTIC "if" at this point), why is everybody so convinced it won't be a success? I'm seeing a lot of "They won't sell out, nobody cares" What are you people, concert promoters? Sure, the '96 thing was bad but will it sink them? Hell no! People always have nostalgia, if it goes on the road and it looks it's going to last, people will turn out in droves. Consider the following artists/bands that have had ridiculously successful reunion tours:

Springsteen: This dude was a total fucking joke in the 90's. People laughed at that shit he wrote for "Philadelphia" and "Jerry Maguire." He reunited and it was huge. The facts: His career was in A LOT worse shape than VH's when it came back.

Fleetwood Mac: None existant for years and with the exception of Stevie, the rest of the band did nothing notable but they came back and did a huge tour.

Kiss: Other than Revenge and Lick It Up, people laughed REALLY hard at these guys after the makeup came off. And even Revenge and Lick It Up weren't that huge compared to their old stuff. But they reunited and did huge business.

The Eagles: Other than Don Henley and Joe Walsh, those other solo careers were lukewarm at best but they came back, did a big tour and charged $80 a pop to boot.

See my point? Why wouldn't VH rise above what these lesser (IMO) artists have done? I can't think of anybody that would boycott a ticket because of the MTV VMA's. Give me a fucking break!!!! Any other thoughts?

[hain23x]

Originally posted by Vic Vega_0609:

Springsteen: This dude was a total fucking joke in the 90's. People laughed at that shit he wrote for "Philadelphia"

didn't he win a Grammy for that???

[Vic Vega_0609]

Maybe he did, but who gives a shit about the Grammies? It was certainly a down time for him overall. That acoustic album he did sold less than the DLR Band album!

[hain23x]

Originally posted by Vic Vega_0609:
but who gives a shit about the Grammies?

musicians and songwriters [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I see where you're going with your original post [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

they need to work it all out, and make some kind of tv special thinggy like behind the music or something. they have to be visible in some kind of way on TV to get the "masses" interested(unless they still have a grass roots following like Phish did)

or maybe
they can get Mtv to give them a backslapin' party ala Aerosmith!
maybe Shakazooloo(or whatever that bellydancin' chick's name is) will do "Hot for teacher" [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

[Brett]

Originally posted by Vic Vega_0609:
That acoustic album he did sold less than the DLR Band album!

Really? Ouch. I actually couldn't be happier, I never got the big deal about Springsteen anyway. But that's a topic for another forum. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Bob_R]

Originally posted by Vic Vega_0609:
Springsteen: This dude was a total fucking joke in the 90's. People laughed at that shit he wrote for "Philadelphia" and "Jerry Maguire." He reunited and it was huge. The facts: His career was in A LOT worse shape than VH's when it came back.

Springsteen also laughed all the way to the bank!

I do not think Springsteen's career has ever been in "worse" shape than VH's is right now. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[VHwasCoolestWithDLR]

If a Van Halen reunion with Roth is only gonna be successful because of the nostalgia thing, and becuase some guy who was 15 when 1984 came out wants to go releive his past, i dont really want them to reunite. I want them to really come out with some kick ass new tunes and pick up where they left off. I think Eddie said if they ever reunited that they would have to put out a new album first anyway and not just do a tour like Kiss did just to make a bunch of money.

To me, the Kiss reunion was a joke. The first year of their tour was great, but after that everyone expected a killer new album, which in my opinion should have came before the tour (psycho circus sucked) and new costumes, and contniue where they left off as well, but no, they have stayed in the destroyer outfits since 1998 and only released one half ass suckey album. I think Van Halen's reunion would be so much better, a new album first, then tour behind it, and carry on. Atleast VH would actually have something new to tour in support of and earn their money.

[ August 07, 2002, 05:50 PM: Message edited by: VHwasCoolestWithDLR ]

[Glenn]

Maybe it's just me, but I haven't really noticed too many people saying that VH with Dave wouldn't do well. Certainly in the concert market I think they could do amazing business regardless of whether they were to come out with a new album or not.

Album-wise, I guess it's all relative; I think a platinum album would be very probable, and sales could be even better (perhaps A LOT better) depending on how they were to choose to promote themselves; ie, television appearances, pushing for major magazine covers, Unplugged or Storyteller appearances etc.

As for Springsteen, again that's pretty relative. As far as I know his two releases from 1992 each sold over 1.5 million copies, which may seem terrible when stacked up against Born In The USA, but 1.5 million records sold each for two simultaneous releases by a 42 year old artist in 1992 sounds respectable to me.

VH have sold 10 million copies of two different albums, if they reunite with Dave and sell 1.5 million copies of a new album that kicks ass, will the 10 > 1.5 ratio ruin the new album, or is the music allowed to stand on its own.

And while I don't know, I would guess that The Ghost of Tom Joad sold more than 100,000 records. Regardless, it's a great album, though obviously not meant to be a middle of the road blockbuster.

[SlashNIzzy]

If VH and Dave did a new album together, there is no way it would fail...Classic VH is like Led Zeppelin, or the Stones...The music that those four members make is pure magic. The music scene is worse now than it has ever been in a long, long time. The hottest band out now is Creed and that is sad. If VH w/DLR put out a new CD, there are tons of people that are sick of boy bands and post-grunge nu-metal that would love a new album. I think it would go triple platnum.

[Raldo]

I think it could be really big if done right. They can't half ass it because the non-diehards wouldn't go for it and some of the diehards wouldn't either. They should call up Irving Azoff and have him run the show. He's done it before and he can do it again.

[man of the people]

Originally posted by Vic Vega_0609:

Springsteen: This dude was a total fucking joke in the 90's. People laughed at that shit he wrote for "Philadelphia" and "Jerry Maguire." He reunited and it was huge. The facts: His career was in A LOT worse shape than VH's when it came back.

Bullshit. Ever hear of VHIII? Springsteen can sell out any arena, multiple times in any city. Have you seen the VHIII and Sam and Dave attendance figures? As far as DLR band outselling Springsteen's "The Ghost of Tom Joad?" More bullshit. Tom Joad outsold DLR Band's US totals in Jersey alone.

[Glenn]

This topic is better suited to the Opinions Forum, so I'm going to send it over there now. By the way,

Originally posted by Vic Vega_0609:
That acoustic album he did sold less than the DLR Band album!

the RIAA site shows that that acoustic album (The Ghost of Tom Joad) has been certified gold, so it definitely sold more than DLR Band.