Why can't Eddie just tell the damn truth???

**AllSoupNoFish** · 10.16.00, 01:50 PM

Eddie Van Halen is the greatest guitarist on the planet, but why does the guy seem to have such a problem with being upfront with folks? He records for two weeks with Dave without telling Sammy. He hires Mitch Malloy without telling Dave (and presumably Gary). He brings Dave to the Mtv awards without telling Mitch. Notice how Eddie never mentioned to the fans that Mitch was officially in the band for two weeks. Ofcourse not! This corraborates what Dave said in his letter to the press about Eddie having already hired another lead singer by the time the Mtv thing went down. Only difference is, Dave was refering to Gary when actually Mitch was the guy. The above statements are facts, not just my opinions or speculations. I love Eddies music, but I would be very hesitant to enter any sort of arrangement with the guy without an iron-clad contract, and even then I wouldn't fully trust him. I guess it's like George Mcfly said, " I'm just not good with....confrontations."

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**mac** · 10.16.00, 02:09 PM

i'm a little out of the loop, who is MITCH MALLOY?

**AllSoupNoFish** · 10.16.00, 02:17 PM

Check out www.hardknockz.com for the scoop mac. Melodicrock also ran a very eye-opening interview with Mitch a few weeks ago.

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**MikeL** · 10.16.00, 02:23 PM

I'm not saying what Eddie has done is right, but I don't think it's as simple as you suggest. I doubt you've ever been in a situation similiar to the one Eddie and the rest of them were in in '96. Money, power, and fame don't lend themselves to thinking with a clear head. He's human.

**AllSoupNoFish** · 10.16.00, 02:29 PM

I hear you MikeL. You're right, the guy lives on a different planet than me, and he is just human, but so are Dave, Sammy, Gary, and Mitch.

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**MikeL** · 10.16.00, 02:32 PM

Those three were in different positions from Eddie's. They had nothing to gain from deception, where as Eddie might have been able to decide who he thought best fit the band. It was a time of turmoil, and bad things came from it.

Perhaps now that some time has passed, something good will come from it at last.

**heatmiser** · 10.16.00, 02:55 PM

You can also figure that maybe management had some hand in this too. I think maybe Ray Daniels had a little gag order on the band not to say anything just in case if things didn't work out with one of the singers. If you look at what has happened within the band it's almost like a soap opera... Van Melrose Place, One VH to Live, General Halen!!!! It just seems the band was trying to cover their asses(money). It makes me think that maybe Ed was telling the truth about Dave and how he just wanted to give the guys career a little kickstart!? Then that makes me wonder... would Dave be welcomed back in the band after the 96' thing and if so, is it just for the money?? I was cleaning out a bunch of stuff in my house and I had a crap load of old Hit Parader magazines that were from around the initial breakup of the band in 85. There was an interview of Dave in there and one of the last paragraphs in there stated something like this... If Eddie called me up saying remember that time when we said all those bad things about you in the press and remember how we just wanted to sit around on our asses and just make money?? Well Dave, me and Alex wanted to know if you wanted to get back together again becuase I need to get my Rolex out of the shop. Dave said, in a nice quiet voice I would say, Ed go fuck yourself. Well, when Ed called him up in 96 I don't think Dave said that at all.

**Stuff No More** · 10.17.00, 04:54 AM

Let this be a lesson to you - never say anything that can be looked up and thrown back in your face later, since when 11 years pass and you're the one who needs the rolex, well, stories change

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**mac** · 10.17.00, 06:52 AM

just like when ed said sam's work ethic sucked. he said now that gary's in the band and it won't take 3 years between albums.got one you got two, ed. it will be 3 years this coming march. tick tick.

**FORD** · 10.17.00, 07:10 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AllSoupNoFish:

He records for two weeks with Dave without telling Sammy. He hires Mitch Malloy without telling Dave (and presumably Gary). He brings Dave to the Mtv awards without telling Mitch. Notice how Eddie never mentioned to the fans that Mitch was officially in the band for two weeks. Ofcourse not! This corraborates what Dave said in his letter to the press about Eddie having already hired another lead singer by the time the Mtv thing went down. Only difference is, Dave was refering to Gary when actually Mitch was the guy. The above statements are facts, not just my opinions or speculations.
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But not complete facts. Gary Cherone was Danniels hand picked replacement, and he was in the picture by early June of 96. Before Sammy was fired, and while Dave was in the studio. By Gary's own admission (in a Feb 98 interview), he was concerned about the MTV awards, and like the rest of us, assumed that meant the band was back together. Danniels assured Cherone that the job was his. Eddie may have preferred Mitch Malloy, or at one point may have even been moving towards a true Van HALEN reunion, but it was obviously Dickwad Danniels calling the shots in 1996, and he wasn't having anyone but his boy Gary.

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**Vince** · 10.17.00, 07:24 AM

I don't think Eddie's idea of what truth is, is the same as most people's. I won't take anything the guy say's to heart any longer. Because if you look at Eddie's historical comments and then what he winds-up actually doing are usually 2 different things. If Roth is back, "I'm still not totaly convinced of that",Eddie and Alex sat in on an MTV interview and stated catogorically that Roth was not half the singer he was years ago. Now he's supposed to be working with Roth again? Don't believe anything till an official announcement is made.

**Georgie** · 10.17.00, 08:37 AM

Edward made mistakes like all of us, but I do not think 1996 was his doing. I think that MTV VMA appearence was ALL Warner Brothers doing and largely MTV's push. It was Wolfgang's first day of school and Eddie was furious he was forced in to this by the label. I think Dave and Ed were all unwilling victims in this promo stunt.

Edward never once said that Dave was back in the band. The quote "Baby Steps" were used throughout their collaboration for the two tracks for BOV I and a possible video shoot for the new songs.

As fas as Mitch Molloy, well I don't know how much truth is behind that. I have heard that Van Halen have been working with Sebastian Bach, David Coverdale, Billy Squire, and Mitch Molloy around the Gary Cherone times.

I think Eddie is guilty of hypocritical remarks in regards to "Gary is a solemate and if he does not work out , that is the end of Van Halen." " Sammy's work ethic sucked." ( Meanwhile he has launched so many albums already and was supportive of newly written material instead of the BOV I release and Twister Soundtrack.) These are definitely tough times for all VH members involved.

**ANGEL4U** · 10.17.00, 09:13 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MikeL:
I'm not saying what Eddie has done is right, but I don't think it's as simple as you suggest. I doubt you've ever been in a situation similiar to the one Eddie and the rest of them were in in '96. Money, power, and fame don't lend themselves to thinking with a clear head. He's human.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree....but here's more food for thought

I think Ed has ALWAYS made decisions based
on FEAR. Most alcoholics do...it's no secret.
If you had scrambled eggs for brains, what
kind of decisions would you be able to make.

The fact that he sees a therapist 2x a month
might help a tiny bit.....but if he's not capable of being honest NOW....I would expect
that he won't be able to stay sober

There's a difference about lying in the past and being honest now.....and the fact that NO ONE
is saying anything....doesn't mean he's lying.
Just my 2 cents

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**Stuff No More** · 10.17.00, 11:01 AM

I still personally think this is just a simple matter of overcompensation.

Eddie spent years basically at the mercy of the singer in a band with his last name on it, perhaps even overshadowed in the media's eye by the antics of DLR when he was a guitarist that deserved notice in the mainstream.

Then Eddie gets "control" of his life (or at least gets sober) and now it's time to make up for lost time. He just took hold of the band and decided he'd dictate terms (I think they call that "empowerment," right?). Whether it was right for him to do it or not, at least it shows he started to care about things besides drinking.

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**dolphmurph** · 10.17.00, 11:07 AM

As far as I'm concerned - Ed is not a liar. Everything can be explained perfectly well.

Ed is not stupid (or mean) enough to tease the press and fans with a possible reunion with Dave for mere publicity.

If it was all a ploy - then he is truly diabolical. That's not Ed.

If I remember correctly, Ed even told Dave he was auditioning other singers.

Ed simply didn't want Dave. Though I feel completely assured that Ed would have done one album and tour with him in order to appease the fans.

But when Dave told Ed to 'shut up about your hip' - that sent it down the tubes.

Give me a break guys. Roth thinks he back in Van Halen - yet Ed keep telling him "all we're going to tell the press is that we did 2 songs." It's in Dave's own book.

Dave says that Ed picked him as the singer just before MTV. But if Dave was picked, why were Ed & Al trying to shut him up at the press conference?

The band sure wasn't acting like he had been picked.

And Dave says he knew about the other singer all along. Well then he shouldn't have been surprised. But he acts like it was some scheme. Why didn't Dave bail if he knew about this scheme?

Because he was never picked!

As a matter of fact, Ed & Dave became very close during the making of the Best Of album.

I suppose that was more brilliant acting on the part of Ed. I guess Ed had been taking acting lessons from Valerie.

And as far as bringing Dave back without telling Sammy. Who cares? It's Ed's band.

I suppose it would have been courteous for Ed to tell Sam. But they weren't getting along in the least. And Sam had pretty much made his own bed by pooping on the Best of album.

Sam was eventually phoned by Ed. Or rather, Ray told Sam. Or, well Sammy quit. Or actually he was fired.

I'm still waiting for Sammy to get the story straight.