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vhf27
04.12.05, 06:24 PM
Dear Ed, saw your show and its good to see that your looking healthy, when the band came out and i heard HELLOWWWWW BABYfrom Sammy, it was electricfiying! But then you almost fell down.then i started to listen to your playing and was puzzled as to what was wrong with you. Now i have seen every VanHalen tour since 1979, bought every record and think your the most talented guitarist of all time.In your 6 year off period ive always said that you do not owe anyone a interview or explanation for anything youve done, but what you do owe me is that you give me 100% effort for the price of my ticket and you did not give me that. Sammy, Mike and AL carried you that night.Look at some tape of the Toronto Balance PPV tour and see how flawless and effortless you played that night,. I think you were sober back then. I hope you get your shit together, not for the fans but for your son, i can see that you love him very much. Good luck, and get back to work and make some more music,

perticelli
04.12.05, 06:33 PM
interesting..will u send it?

vhf27
04.12.05, 06:53 PM
if i could i would

ZORBA5150
04.12.05, 07:03 PM
if i could i would

I was at that show, and I thought he and the rest of the band sounded great. I saw them in 93' and 95' and this show last June was the best I've seen. I was sober too, I might add. I was under no dilusions

James in New York
04.13.05, 05:11 AM
I was there too

both nights

Eddie rocked!:thumb:

1995 is gone...he just got over divorce after 20+ years of marriage, cancer...

elvhfan
04.13.05, 05:49 AM
do we have to do through this again??

Dr5115
04.13.05, 06:42 AM
do we have to do through this again??

Yeah, no kidding. I love EVH, I saw the reunion tour from the 2nd row, I've heard boots of other shows off of the 04' tour. Clearly Ed's playing was not up to par with his PAST performances. Just my opinion

I hate to say this but............GULP.........if VH were to tour with AC/DC next year. EVH better improve his playing or Angus is going to kick his ass all over the stage.

It hurts to type these words.................................the truth hurts sometimes

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InTheBeginning
04.13.05, 06:45 AM
This one's for Hatch :sleep:

Lodewijk
04.13.05, 07:26 AM
I hate to say this but............GULP.........if VH were to tour with AC/DC next year. EVH better improve his playing or Angus is going to kick his ass all over the stage.

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That may be so , you're right , but when you only play 3 chords , it makes things a little easier ! ;)

hatchetforce
04.13.05, 07:43 AM
This one's for Hatch :sleep:

:thumb:

willy4pres
04.13.05, 08:30 AM
Having actually seen AC/DC a few times fairly recently (last couple of tours). Angus has lost more technique then Ed has at this point. Drunk or sober it seems Eddie is attempting to once again change his approach to playing guitar (he's obviously much more successful on nights when he's not completely intoxicated!), he has always done that.

VH1 Ed was completely different then VH2 Ed

WACF Ed was completely different then VH2 Ed and Fair Warning Ed

Fair Warning Ed was completely different then Diver Down Ed

Diver Down Ed was completely different then 1984 Ed (playing was kinda the same I guess, but the song's were so much freak'n better!)

1984 Ed was completely different then 5150 Ed

0U812 Ed was in a strange place

FUCK Ed was in a rock'n place, as was the entire band

Balance Ed was sharp and focused, but not nearly as exciting as past drunk Ed

VHIII Ed was actually pretty cool to me, I like his playing on the album, just wish he had some good song's to showcase it!

2004 Ed sound's pretty bad ass on Up For Breakfast at least, to bad Sammy couldn't contribute better lyrics (just my opinion, I actually love Sammy).

Besides, tell 2004 Ed he sucked in San Diego, Los Angeles, and Toronto and he'll probably kick your ass!

Im sure he had other great nights, but these are the only ones I can personally attest to.

MF5150
04.13.05, 12:06 PM
Having actually seen AC/DC a few times fairly recently (last couple of tours). Angus has lost more technique then Ed has at this point. Drunk or sober it seems Eddie is attempting to once again change his approach to playing guitar (he's obviously much more successful on nights when he's not completely intoxicated!), he has always done that.

VH1 Ed was completely different then VH2 Ed

WACF Ed was completely different then VH2 Ed and Fair Warning Ed

Fair Warning Ed was completely different then Diver Down Ed

Diver Down Ed was completely different then 1984 Ed (playing was kinda the same I guess, but the song's were so much freak'n better!)

1984 Ed was completely different then 5150 Ed

0U812 Ed was in a strange place

FUCK Ed was in a rock'n place, as was the entire band

Balance Ed was sharp and focused, but not nearly as exciting as past drunk Ed

VHIII Ed was actually pretty cool to me, I like his playing on the album, just wish he had some good song's to showcase it!

2004 Ed sound's pretty bad ass on Up For Breakfast at least, to bad Sammy couldn't contribute better lyrics (just my opinion, I actually love Sammy).

Besides, tell 2004 Ed he sucked in San Diego, Los Angeles, and Toronto and he'll probably kick your ass!

Im sure he had other great nights, but these are the only ones I can personally attest to.

Ed did play AWESOME in Toronto. I think he played his best solo of the tour that night. He pretty much played Cathedral flawlessly

James in New York
04.13.05, 02:19 PM
[QUOTE=Dr5115]I hate to say this but............GULP.........if VH were to tour with AC/DC next year. EVH better improve his playing or Angus is going to kick his ass all over the stage./QUOTE]

:rolleyes:
I was FIVE star in Jersey. He was GREAT. So what he had some wine, so did most of the audience. In 1995 he was mostly sober...fighting the urge to drink, now he's given in and just warming up again. I have at least 5 or 6 dvds of the tour and he is incredible on them.

What do you guys want, a fuckin' robot? He's HUMAN. And he's still The King.

Can't wait til the next tour.
:sssh:

chefcraig
04.13.05, 09:21 PM
No, professionalism would be a good start. I paid for a service, I believe I got jobbed by the performance.

Try your thinking with say...a dentist: Well, my teeth are semi-repaired, but I still believe he's a brilliant dentist.

Because I bought and paid for it, I'm allowed to bitch. As said before, the band carried him...he was not the driver, he was the loose nut behind the wheel.

And to be fair, I'm certain we could attend the same showing of a movie, and come out with opposing views.

Fact: You saw what you saw, I saw what I saw.

...craig ;)

James in New York
04.13.05, 09:57 PM
Hmmm...


A man is a critic when he cannot be an artist, in the same way that a man becomes an informer when he cannot be a soldier.
-- Gustave Flaubert

Having the critics praise you is like having the hangman say you've got a pretty neck.
-- Eli Wallach

Pay no attention to what the critics say; there has never been set up a statue in honor of a critic.
--Jean Sibelius

chefcraig
04.13.05, 10:09 PM
Hmmm...


A man is a critic when he cannot be an artist, in the same way that a man becomes an informer when he cannot be a soldier.
-- Gustave Flaubert

Having the critics praise you is like having the hangman say you've got a pretty neck.
-- Eli Wallach

Pay no attention to what the critics say; there has never been set up a statue in honor of a critic.
--Jean Sibelius

May I be the first to say..nicely done.

Yet, do not forget that today's critic (the published ones, anyway) get in for free.

The rest of us are consumers, therefore entitled to voice dissatisfaction(sp)

...craig :thumb:

James in New York
04.13.05, 11:10 PM
Okay, complain away I'll be quiet and hope (like you Im sure) that Eddie silences all criticisms next time out :bounce:

SuckaInA3Piece
04.14.05, 06:40 AM
Not gonna add much to this thread because it's just the same ol stuff, but I was at this gig, as well as Brett, and we both have said that Ed played fine at this show.

Did he play like Ed of old? No, but with all things considered as far as what he's been through the last few years, I think he sounded pretty damned good.

sixstring
04.14.05, 07:22 AM
Not gonna add much to this thread because it's just the same ol stuff, but I was at this gig, as well as Brett, and we both have said that Ed played fine at this show.

Did he play like Ed of old? No, but with all things considered as far as what he's been through the last few years, I think he sounded pretty damned good.


I'll second that for the Dallas & San Antone shows.
Don't know why everyone has their panties in a bunch over this.
Ed played fine. :rolleyes:

Fair Warning Rocks!
04.14.05, 04:00 PM
I was FIVE star in Jersey. He was GREAT. So what he had some wine, so did most of the audience. In 1995 he was mostly sober...fighting the urge to drink, now he's given in and just warming up again. I have at least 5 or 6 dvds of the tour and he is incredible on them.

What do you guys want, a fuckin' robot? He's HUMAN. And he's still The King.

Can't wait til the next tour.
:sssh:James...I have seen you post this in other threads too. Have you ever seen VH before the 2004 tour? I have seen them on every tour since 1978, and the reason I love VH is because of ED. I saw them in Greensboro on opening night, and Ed was very disappointing. His playing was sloppy. I walked away from that show for the first time in my life disappionted in Ed. After reading reviews of other shows, I know it was not my imagination. The Ed in 1998 was BRILLIANT and SOBER...the Ed in 2004 was neither.

vheddyrmv8
04.14.05, 08:20 PM
People are so critical, the man's his 50's and has a fake hip and half a tounge and he's still chuggin, this isn't 1984 or 1986, he can't keep playing extremely well all of his life. I think he played the BEST for a man that old.

Some people are never satisfied...:rolleyes:

I mean i used to think that too, but come on, people can only do so much for so long. The man must have played millions of shows. He's not the energizer bunny!

LittleGuitars99
04.15.05, 05:44 AM
Having actually seen AC/DC a few times fairly recently (last couple of tours). Angus has lost more technique then Ed has at this point.

Dude, you need help. I will be admit it was hard for me to watch Ed on this tour, but I saw the last AC/DC tour, it was a good RNR show, but dude, Angus is just plain bad, I don`t know why we are debating this as Angus himself has came out and said he sucks.

chefcraig
04.15.05, 05:56 AM
People are so critical, the man's his 50's and has a fake hip and half a tounge and he's still chuggin, this isn't 1984 or 1986, he can't keep playing extremely well all of his life. I think he played the BEST for a man that old.

Some people are never satisfied...:rolleyes:

I mean i used to think that too, but come on, people can only do so much for so long. The man must have played millions of shows. He's not the energizer bunny!

Uh-huh...try telling that to Clapton, Les Paul, Buddy Guy...ect, guys well beyond their 50's.

You are correct regarding the energizer bunny, as the bunny doesn't drink, therefore doesn't forget what song he's banging the drum to.

And I don't have to pay to hear the bunny play.

...craig ;)

LittleGuitars99
04.15.05, 08:07 AM
I don`t think age has alot to do with it, he might loose speed, but overall, there alot of players that are in their 50`s that smoke. Ed was alway going off in songs and trying new things live, that is what was so awsome about it, but before no matter what or when he tried something, no matter how out there he would ALWAYS land on his feet, leaving you going :wtf: how the fuck? I swear seeing this tour it was hard, during his solo spots I was afriad someone was going to start yelling "play something for Christ sake". I just don`t think he was all there and didn`t really care, blame the booze, his state of mind, it just wasn`t him.... But his sound still fucking smoked LARGE!

James in New York
04.15.05, 09:25 AM
James...I have seen you post this in other threads too. Have you ever seen VH before the 2004 tour? I have seen them on every tour since 1978, and the reason I love VH is because of ED. I saw them in Greensboro on opening night, and Ed was very disappointing. His playing was sloppy. I walked away from that show for the first time in my life disappionted in Ed. After reading reviews of other shows, I know it was not my imagination. The Ed in 1998 was BRILLIANT and SOBER...the Ed in 2004 was neither.

I've seen every tour starting with 1984 tour. I'm not a newcomer.;)

You know what

WHATEVER

Im not going to debate this anymore.

It really reminds me of the talk when Michael Jordan first came back in 1995...

It's funny how quick people are to criticize.

MJ is a legend and so is EVH...the analogy is right on

Eddie in Greeensboro was playing his first show since divorce and cancer.

Jordan came back early and dropped the ball, missed tons of shots, couldn't jump, fly, or close out a game.

Eddie and MJ were rusty.

And EVH was partying hard all tour.

Will he party hard EVERY tour. I doubt it.

This was his first time back and after hearing you guys complain Im sure he'll kick your asses next time out.

Just like Jordan did.

So just relax and don't worry.:thumb:

SuckaInA3Piece
04.15.05, 09:35 AM
James, don't ever let anyone change your optimistic view man. It really is refreshing dude.

I also used the Jordan comparison when the tour first broke last year. I also used Lemiuex as well. Ed got his feet wet last year, so I'll give him the benifit of the doubt that he'll come back strong. I know that Alex still listens to the tape of every show they do, so I'm hoping that he'll encourage and inspire Ed to play guitar up to his capabilities.

I'm just happy that the three times I saw them, Ed didn't disappoint.

willy4pres
04.15.05, 12:22 PM
Dude, you need help. I will be admit it was hard for me to watch Ed on this tour, but I saw the last AC/DC tour, it was a good RNR show, but dude, Angus is just plain bad, I don`t know why we are debating this as Angus himself has came out and said he sucks.

Ummm, dude did you actually read my post or are you being sarcastic? I said that Angus has lost a lot of technique, that's saying he's not the player he once was, that's a round about way of saying he suck's.

I think Ed would be fine if he just would cut back on the drinking, and possibly get some help for his other mental problems, but he's still a complete bad ass in my eyes. All your problems are magnified when your in the spot light, maybe he's not any worse off then most of our friends, or ourselves, it just seems so because he was so visible in 2004.

LittleGuitars99
04.15.05, 12:34 PM
Ummm, dude did you actually read my post or are you being sarcastic? I said that Angus has lost a lot of technique, that's saying he's not the player he once was, that's a round about way of saying he suck's.

I think Ed would be fine if he just would cut back on the drinking, and possibly get some help for his other mental problems, but he's still a complete bad ass in my eyes. All your problems are magnified when your in the spot light, maybe he's not any worse off then most of our friends, or ourselves, it just seems so because he was so visible in 2004.

:brickwall Oops.. :drunk: My bad, I need stronger contacts...

OLO
04.15.05, 03:40 PM
oops wrong forum. :brickwall

James in New York
04.15.05, 03:49 PM
Thanks, Sucka...I guess you can say that my glass is 1/2 full...of Sambuca.
:drunk:

Maybe that's what some of you guys need next time out, a few drinks...then you'll be right on the same page as King Edward. :thumb:

chefcraig
04.15.05, 08:02 PM
Maybe that's what some of you guys need next time out, a few drinks...then you'll be right on the same page as King Edward. :thumb:

If I was on the same page as "King Edward", I would not attempt to drive home from the show.
...craig :p

James in New York
04.15.05, 08:56 PM
I hired a limo...so no driving for me...

It was a helluva night.:thumb:

AdamCornell
04.18.05, 09:45 PM
I've seen every tour starting with 1984 tour. I'm not a newcomer.;)

You know what

WHATEVER

Im not going to debate this anymore.

It really reminds me of the talk when Michael Jordan first came back in 1995...

It's funny how quick people are to criticize.

MJ is a legend and so is EVH...the analogy is right on

Eddie in Greeensboro was playing his first show since divorce and cancer.

Jordan came back early and dropped the ball, missed tons of shots, couldn't jump, fly, or close out a game.

Eddie and MJ were rusty.

And EVH was partying hard all tour.

Will he party hard EVERY tour. I doubt it.

This was his first time back and after hearing you guys complain Im sure he'll kick your asses next time out.

Just like Jordan did.

So just relax and don't worry.:thumb:
and people that dont criticize, get taken alot

James in New York
04.18.05, 09:54 PM
:rolleyes: