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ScottRoberts
09.16.01, 09:21 PM
http://www.baynews9.com/newsstory.asp?storyname=2001/September/16/ncci.

JMJ
09.16.01, 09:57 PM
read that at the army earlier.

what fucking bullshit!!! smilies/mad.gif

JMJ

MikeL
09.16.01, 10:06 PM
What fucking dopes! Here's hoping that CEO finds himself moping up at the company Starbucks before too long.

Down In Flames
09.16.01, 10:07 PM
That guy Bill Schrempf (no releation to Detlef, I'm sure) can suck me off.

Damn PC toadie... How stupid.

seenbad
09.16.01, 11:23 PM
I sent an email. Hope it gets to him....the rat bastard. smilies/mad.gif


Please forward to your Mr. Schremph, NCCI's Chief Engineering Officer.

Mr. Schremph.

I just read about your stance on American flags in the workplace and am absolutely appalled. I find it completely unbelievable that a CEO would take such a stance at this time in our nation. Please tell me that you are an immigrant and simply dont hold our views. That I could at least comprehend, and respect your right to run your company as you choose no matter what anybody thinks of it. Otherwise, if you are an American citizen, you are not of this nations blood. It shames me that I would even have to recognize you as a fellow citizen.

May I remind you? Your business, your freedom, your money, and your way of life is directly tied to the origins of that flag, those colors, those stars and stripes. Those men that have died to allow you to prosper in a free nation to the level of "CEO" are burried with that very flag on there coffins. This holds true to the employees that serve you, this holds true to all of us.

How dare you not allow this wonderfull symbol (of what we owe our everything to) to be displayed. How dare you drive a stake into the hearts of your employees that lost loved ones. How dare you call yourself an "American".

With your actions and your stance, you may as well have gone outside and burned one. How dare you spit in the face of a nation that has given you so much.

VERY SINCERELY,

**** ****** ********

ScottRoberts
09.17.01, 06:20 AM
Cool, Seen, I e-mailed them, too. Maybe if they get enough outside pressure, they'll rethink their ridiculous policy. smilies/mad.gif

seenbad
09.17.01, 07:47 AM
right on Scott. smilies/mad.gif

esquiretoo
09.17.01, 08:00 AM
HEY GUYS!!! I just called corporate headquarthers, and they have drastically revised their policy. smilies/smile.gif smilies/smile.gif

They're even handing out flags now. smilies/smile.gif

[ September 17, 2001 at 08:05 AM: Message edited by: esquiretoo ]

seenbad
09.17.01, 09:26 AM
That kicks much ass.

I hope he didnt just cave in to contraversy, but rather really started to comprehend what it was that he did.

OLO
09.17.01, 12:49 PM
I cant beleive that!! smilies/eek.gif

I made a point on friday of purchasing some small flags and had them all put on the antenna's of all of our company trucks. smilies/biggrin.gif

Rod Dangle
09.17.01, 07:27 PM
Here's an article I found on the subject.......

Flag-Waiving Officials Quickly Reverse Themselves Following Complaints

In an America awash in red, white and blue on everything from car antennas to headbands to front porches, not everyone was immediately enthusiastic about these displays of patriotism and support for the victims of last week's terrorist attacks.

At least two schools and one company, officials initially declared flag displays off-limits. Students and workers coming to work with colors were told to get rid of them or go home.
Managers at NCCI Holdings, Inc., a workers compensation database company headquartered in Boca Raton, Fla., went so far as to briefly confiscate flags from employees' cubicles, saying other workers may find them offensive.
A bus driver at Pennsylvania's Lehigh University that showed up with a U.S. flag on his vehicle was told by a campus official to remove it. Non-American students might be made uncomfortable by the display, an official told him.
And outside Houston, Texas, a teacher forced a student to remove a flag-bearing shirt Friday because it didn't meet the school's dress code.
All three of the edicts were short-lived, however, quickly falling prey to a rash of complaints and calls from outraged people in their respective communities.
In a letter to the local newspaper published over the weekend, Lehigh Vice Provost for Student Affairs John Smeaton apologized for his earlier actions.
"In a momentary lapse of judgment, which I deeply regret, I suggested the flag be removed from inside the bus," he wrote. "An hour later, when I had time to reflect on that request, I realized that my decision was absolutely wrong. I immediately asked that the flag be returned."
NCCI's flag ban was based on a company policy that considers displaying the flag a "political statement" banned from the workplace along with "divisive statements or actions" and "political or religious discussions." However, the ban only lasted until 4 p.m. Sunday, when President and CEO Bill Schrumpf issued a statement reversing the policy and saying the company would this week hand out red, white and blue lapel pins for those who want to wear them.
NCCI Spokesman Michael Bullard said the company is also providing free flags to any employee who wants to display one at their desk, and, in addition to the flags flying outside the company's headquarters, NCCI will put one in its atrium and is considering "modifying our position even more."
At McMasters Elementary School in Pasadena, Texas, the principal who forced a second grader wearing a shirt with a flag on it to remove it because it didn't meet school dress code said it was all a misunderstanding. Principal Mable Pratt said she was unaware that the second grader's father is a veteran and in the Army Reserves.
Earlier in the week, it was Pratt who led students in the singing of the Star Spangled Banner and "God Bless America" along with a reading of the Declaration of Independence.
The flag issue "just blew out of hand," she said.

God Bless America!!!!
http://anchorflagandflagpole.com/images/Usa-1.gif

ScottRoberts
09.18.01, 08:53 AM
Cool. I love it when political correctness loses and freedom prevails (which is getting pretty rare these days... smilies/frown.gif).

lawchick
09.18.01, 09:04 AM
Private employers have every right under our Constitution to restrict many forms of speech, including the display of flags and such. Doesn't mean they're smart to do so, but that's also what our flag means. Glad NCCI caved to pressure. smilies/smile.gif

seenbad
09.18.01, 09:49 AM
Thats a good point lawchick. And I have the right to not like it and send nasty-grams too. heh heh.

AbeVanHalen
09.18.01, 12:28 PM
What gets me is THIS:

If the mere sight of the American Flag flying on American soil is enough to make some people feel uncomfortable, HOW THE HELL CAN THEY STAND LIVING HERE????

and

How in the hell can Congresswoman Lee get elected over and over again in California when SHE REFUSES TO STAND FOR/SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE??? She is serving a country she has no respect for, yet she represents people in the government? WTF???

seenbad
09.22.01, 11:04 PM
In follow up, I got this in my bulk mailbox today. I didnt even read it all the way through. Let me know if its any good. smilies/rolleyes.gif


Thank you for contacting us recently. We appreciate your comments. In
case you didn't see our statement that we issued on Monday, September
17,
2001, we've included the text of that statement below:

NCCI Changes Position, Gives Employees American Flags

September 17, 2001 (Boca Raton, FL)

NCCI Holdings, Inc., today announced that it has changed its position
on
flags in its workplace and offered any employees who wanted them
American
flags and red-white-and-blue lapel ribbons as they entered the
workplace
this morning.

President & CEO Bill Schrempf said he was meeting with employees this
morning to explain the company's change and apologize for not
permitting
them to display the American flag on Friday during the National Day of
Prayer and Remembrance.

In announcing the change, Schrempf indicated that NCCI's senior
management
team met over the weekend and decided to reverse the company's
longstanding
position, which had been intended to protect employees.

This morning, the company took the following actions concerning the
display
of the American flag by its employees:

1. Any interested employee can display an American flag on their
desktop.
Flags will be provided for this purpose, if employees would like to
have
one to display.

2. Red, white & blue lapel remembrance ribbons are being provided for
those
who want to wear them.

laner
09.22.01, 11:29 PM
seen, other than a couple spelling mistakes (oops), that was a well written letter. smilies/smile.gif

seenbad
09.22.01, 11:36 PM
lol. yeah, well thanks. It was late, I was tired and in a hurry.

should be buried, wonderful, what else did I miss? (damn you bastard smilies/biggrin.gif)

laner
09.22.01, 11:46 PM
just bustin' your chops man. smilies/biggrin.gif
i am a bastard, aren't i? smilies/wink.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

ScottRoberts
09.24.01, 08:42 PM
I got the same e-mail. smilies/tongue.gif