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    Was it Ted Templeman, Donn Landee or just some unknown engineer?

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    I may be wrong here, but I believe it was done mostly in Daves parents basement and maybe a little in the studio provided by Gene Simmons.
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    Ted Templeman, I believe. The 25 songs were recorded right before they recorded the tracks for VH1 (because after all, they picked which songs they wanted from the demo).
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    Here's a quote from a 1978 article on Van Halen.

    <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Van Halen entered the studio, and within three weeks they emerged with enough material for at least two albums. "For the first record," Eddie recalls, "we went in to the studio one day and played live and laid down 40 songs. Out of these 40 we picked nine and wrote one in the studio--'Jamie's Cryin'.'<hr></blockquote>

    I would have to assume that Eddie is actually referring to the demo here, not the actual album sessions. It seems pretty hard to imagine that when they went in to record the actual album they recorded 40 songs. For financial and time reasons, they surely would have previously decided which songs were good enough from the demo to concentrate on for inclusion on the debut album.

    Since Ted was involved in finding and signing the band, I always assumed that he was involved in recording the demo. I thought that Gene Simmons was completely uninvolved past the New York demos he recorded with the band.

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    The new york demos are different demos than what was on the 25?
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    <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by seenbad:
    The new york demos are different demos than what was on the 25?<hr></blockquote>I always thought so. Gene recorded demos with VH in 1976. The 25 song WB demo was done in mid/late 1977.

    I was always of the impression that Gene only recorded three songs with VH; Babe Don't Leave Me Alone, Runnin' With the Devil and House of Pain. It's only just recently that Gene claimed that he actually recorded a lot more songs with VH.

    But I'm almost positive that what we know as the WB demo (Blueprint and That's All Folks) is not connected to Gene at all.

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    There's so much great stuff on the 25 song WB demo. It's too bad EVH stopped using those ideas and basically started from scratch around '85.

    Speaking of the '76 demos done with Gene Simmons, "House Of Pain" and "Runnin' With The Devil" were pretty widely circulated. What ever happened to that version of "Babe Don't Leave Me Alone"?
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    <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Glenn:
    Here's a quote from a 1978 article on Van Halen:


    Van Halen entered the studio, and within three weeks they emerged with enough material for at least two albums. "For the first record," Eddie recalls, "we went in to the studio one day and played live and laid down 40 songs. Out of these 40 we picked nine and wrote one in the studio--'Jamie's Cryin'.'
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    Ah yes, I forgot about this. Is it 25 or 40? In 1998 (when the 25 songs finally surfaced), the VHML had Valerie relay a question to Ed: How many songs were recorded for the WB demo. Val's response: "...just asked Ed about this....he said he can't remember if it was 25, 26, or 27....but it wasn't as much as 40..." So who really knows?

    And, no, Gene $immon$ had nothing to do with the 1977 demo. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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    <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Fast Eddie:
    Speaking of the '76 demos done with Gene Simmons, "House Of Pain" and "Runnin' With The Devil" were pretty widely circulated. What ever happened to that version of "Babe Don't Leave Me Alone"? <hr></blockquote>

    I don't think BDLMA had gotten circulated that much.

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    Absolutely right, Glenn. It's not connected at all. The demos were recorded after the band was signed to Warner Bros. and after Gene was no longer involved whatsoever with the band. The band then recorded the demos (it's still rumored that there were 40 songs, not 25, recorded). I believe Ted recorded the band run through the songs live in a studio and then picked the 9 songs he liked the most, went into the studio again and laid them down more professionally with a few overdubs and then recorded the in-the-studio written JAMIE'S CRYIN' and also decided to record ERUPTION during the actual first album sessions.

    BTW, I love the demo. It has a raw energy that I actually feel was never quite captured on practically any of their albums, including the debut. They actually sounded a little more punky to me on the debut, while some of the songs on the demo would have given them a little more of an Aerosmith image if the band had actually released them.
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    does anyone here, have a copy of the demo???

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    Yup....

    I have Merry Melodies, Blueprint, and That's All Folks
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    <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by CHRIS:
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    Those are the titles of the demos??? hmmmm can i get copies of these?? i would love to hear them...

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    <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by DLR'sCock:


    Those are the titles of the demos??? hmmmm can i get copies of these?? i would love to hear them...
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    These are the titles of some boots that contain the demos. The best overall package, IMO, is "That's All Folks".

    Post a topic in the Bootleg Network forum requesting a trade for these, or join the VH Trade board at http://www.vhtrading.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi. I'm sure someone can hook you up w/a copy. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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