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    Check out Bradman's posts at http://www.egroups.com/group/vh. I found his comments on the DLR era of VH and Gary's struggles during the VHIII era to be interesting reading. I would be interested in other people's thoughts on it...

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    and my comment was "if there were 3 different bands then why weren't there 3 different band names???"


    and the answer "why?because why" doesn't count

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    LeadSynth:

    Thanks for correcting my link.

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    Hain!

    did Brad email you privately?

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    below is a quote from brad on that thread.
    I must say that I feel the exact same way about VH and that I have gained a lot more respect for Brad after reading through these threads.

    "Personally, I love the Dave era of VH. It's what I was introduced
    to and what I grew up with. There was a dynamic there that was
    never equalled with Sammy or Gary. However, I still love the
    Sammy era, but for different reasons. The songwriting was more
    mature and it was a different sound. Same for the Gary era. If I
    had to choose one version of VH that was my favorite, it would
    be the Dave era, hands down. But, I won't let that prevent me
    from enjoying the other eras and/or vehemently putting them down
    because all that does is prevent me from truly enjoying those
    albums."

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    hain23x:

    You didn't post a private email message, did you? I hope not, cause that means I'm reading through my digests too fast...


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    You're welcome, VHDOF...

    Brad has been posting quite a bit to vh@egroups...he's always been king of the ambiguous say-nothing update, but every once in a while he gives us something to chew on.

    My thoughts on Brad's post about "the struggles during the 3 tour" are, I'm glad Brad told Gary what some fans thought of him, and I think Gary took it the right way. I think Brad is absolutely right that anyone else would have crumbled under the pressure from fans after stepping into those shoes.

    And my thoughts on Brad's other email, the "apples, oranges, and bananas" email that Hain forwarded to the list...Brad wrote:

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>If Joe Blow first heard VH when Sammy was the singer, that tends to be their favorite version. Why? Because there was something in that combination that attracted their attention and drew them in. That becomes their favorite and when they go back and listen to the Roth albums, they compare
    them to the Sammy albums and they just don't stack up in that person's opinion. This is not opinion, but fact.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Brad's right. I don't HAVE a "favorite era," but Balance was my first VH album, and Balance is always going to mean Van Halen to me! "It ain't never gonna change!"

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lead Synth:
    ...I don't HAVE a "favorite era," but Balance was my first VH album, and Balance is always going to mean Van Halen to me! "It ain't never gonna change!"

    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Now that is a sad commentary. No offense meant LS.



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    Hain....

    do you really need me to tell you this??!?

    god, I could write a novel, but I'll try to make this quick!

    the REASON they didn't have 3 different names...*sigh*...to me it is:

    MOST THINGS...will come and go. Most everything changes and you've gotta be ready to run and keep up with it! You just have to roll with it, deal with it, and sometimes you just don't know. But there's one thing you DO know: in the end, it's still Van Halen, that's what it is and that's what it's called, and it's not going to go away any time soon...at least not without a fight!

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    No offense Lead Synth but I felt Balance was one of their worst. We all have our opinions and I do respect yours. My best has to be the first six with Dave. That is Van Halen to me and always will be. That's it. End of story.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lead Synth:
    Hain....


    the REASON they didn't have 3 different names...*sigh*...to me it is:

    MOST THINGS...will come and go. Most everything changes and you've gotta be ready to run and keep up with it! You just have to roll with it, deal with it, and sometimes you just don't know. But there's one thing you DO know: in the end, it's still Van Halen, that's what it is and that's what it's called, and it's not going to go away any time soon...at least not without a fight!
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    ummmm....that's very cute and poetic but completely devoid of content. The reason they kept the name was because the name Van Halen sells albums. Look how many copies of VH3 there are in *every* used cd store.

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    When talking about using different names, don't forget about the legal issues involved. When DLR split/was forced out in 1985, it is my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that he did not object to the remaining three continuing to use the name Van Halen, although plenty of people in his position have caused a stink in other similiar cases (Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac, The Smiths, CCR, etc.).

    Roger Waters was still a member of the board of directors of Pink Floyd Music, Ltd., up until at least the late eighties (he may still be). A lot of bands in that situation just decide to change the name instead of dealing with an ex-member. Obviously, the band in that type of situation have to take a look at what kind of revenue drop-off can be expected from a name changed.

    As I stated earlier, I believe that VH was not in this position, so it is all a moot point. Any talk such as "Well, we're changing the band lineup, so it's not going to be the same thing, so let's change the name to be honest here" is complete fantasy on the part of outside observers in most of these band split-up/line-up change scenarios, IMHO.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VHDOF:
    When talking about using different names, don't forget about the legal issues involved. When DLR split/was forced out in 1985, it is my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that he did not object to the remaining three continuing to use the name Van Halen, although plenty of people in his position have caused a stink in other similiar cases (Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac, The Smiths, CCR, etc.).


    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I'm not familiar with the Fleetwood Mac or Smiths cases, but in the case of Pink Floyd and especially CCR, the names should have changed. Roger Waters was the principal songwriter in Pink Floyd and sang half the lead vocals. David Gilmour only wanted the name because his solo albums didn't sell very well despite his obvious talent as a guitarist.

    As for Creedence Clearwater Revival, every song that band made (apart from their blues covers) was written by John Fogerty, who also sang and played lead guitar on every song. For a bass player and a drummer, neither of which are songwriters to claim they own the bands name is completely ridiculous. A similar situation exists with The Misfits, but I don't expect too many people around here know who they were.

    These cases are even more extreme than Van Halen, but the principal is the same. It was the original group that created the sound and the chemistry that was embodied in the band's name. When a major member of the band leaves, that sound and chemistry changes forever, and therefore, so does the band. Of course Dave couldn't legally object to the use of the name "Van Halen" because it was 1) the last name of 2 band members and 2) owned by Warner Bros records .

    Van Hagar (as well as Sabbath w/Dio, the Phil Collins lineup of Genesis, and others) should have made it on their own strengths as a band and not cashed in on the name of their predecessors. We all know that now. But in the case of all the groups mentioned above, it's all over and done with and the music speaks for itself. When the fans have had enough (i.e. VD III) they always let the band know.



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    Actually, you know what the saddest commentary is...

    The fact that TOO MANY Van Halen take pleasure in berading fellow VH fans, because they happen have different fucking tastes in albums and singers is disgusting. The fact that someone would feel the need to tell another fan that "Balance" is a bad record and basically infer that is a pathetic that they would find that album appealing is just totally inappropriate. I LOVE "Balance" I don't give two shits that there are myopic people who say it's not Van Halen because Dave ain't on it. Get over it, THAT attitude is THE SADDEST COMMENTARY on this band's fan base. Guess what?? I grew up with DLR era VH, I saw them live at the age of 13, I have all of Dave's solo records (minus YFLM), I play DLR era VH everyday, but I'll be goddamned if I'm going to have to hear from Dave only fans that it's sad that people have great memories of "5150," "Balance" because the "almighty" DLR ain't on. Like I said, that is the SADDEST COMMENTARY.

    You think we'd be talking about David Lee Roth today if he didn't have Mike, Al, and Ed behind him 20 years ago. The blind will say "Well of course," but the truth is no one would have cared about his solo career without Van Halen. So how did he "make it" on his own? He's always had the Van Halen name to legitimize his career.

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