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    Quote Originally Posted by noise next door View Post
    lMO, Sass doesn't work well enough...

    She's too Janice Joplin, screachy, and she too often sings in blues scales. VH needs a more melodic vocal melody writer type.

    It's a tricky fit to get someone that is perfect for VH's brand.
    Given that she was there for three months, perhaps they were looking to tweak the band a bit in a more blues based rock direction.

    VH3 certainly doesn't sound like VH outside of a couple of songs, so that might suggest that one way or another, they weren't going to return to Dave or Sammy sound of the band.

    If Sass accepted the offer to join, VH3 might have been completely different musically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forty Deuce View Post
    I thought it would be obvious why they wanted her in the band. I guess not.
    Why would it be obvious? I don't think her voice is great. I can hear her sing Come To My Window but not EWS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forty Deuce View Post
    If Sass accepted the offer to join, VH3 might have been completely different musically.
    No.

    Ed was in control. Blues would not have saved those songs.

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    Aerosmith and VH should have done a singer swap for 1 album. Sam goes to AS, and Tyler makes a record with Ed, Al and Mike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Ed was always fighting with Dave over musical direction, so for Ed it was a breath of fresh air that Sam just took what he wrote, few to no questions asked.

    Then, Ed begins to wish Sam fought him more, that his accepting of anything he sent him was laziness on Sam's part.

    Point being, Ed has a honeymoon with everyone, then that part of them that he liked initially, becomes one of the reasons he wants them gone.

    Of course, this is pure conjecture on my part.
    Just a bit. Truth is, it's all conjecture unless one of us stakes out 5150 and asks the man himself. To which the answer he gives now might be different than the one he would have given in 1996.

    Personally, I think it comes down to Ed wanting more control of what he perceived to be "his band". He wanted a manager that would side with him and Al. He wanted a singer that wasn't going to fight him on shit that Sam and Dave might have. He wanted to be the voice of the band moving forward.


    I always found it funny when I'd watch the VH III interview where Ed makes the "here's the planet....here's the planet" as he's motioning a planet going around his head after he's asked what the problem was with the other singers.

    Yet, he was virtually the ONLY one who spoke during the publicity interviews for VHIII. I don't think Ed had an ego like Dave or Sam, but he definitely wanted to be the spokesperson for that new incarnation.

    To blame Ray Danniels for any of this, is silly, imo. I totally get why people do as there's a bit of smoke but I really don't think there any fire whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    Truth is, it's all conjecture unless one of us stakes out 5150 and asks the man himself.
    That's gonna be a long stake out - I doubt Ed makes it up to 5150 much anymore. I'd bet Wolf is there more often than Ed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise next door View Post
    Aerosmith and VH should have done a singer swap for 1 album. Sam goes to AS, and Tyler makes a record with Ed, Al and Mike.
    I could've dug that. I've said before that VH with either Roth or Hagar could've attained relevance on par with Aerosmith if they were properly managed.

    Instead we got the one-two punch of the DLR reunion tease at the MTV awards and VH3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forty Deuce View Post
    Wasn't that because he was watching Dave with the band on MTV like the rest of the world and basically knew that no one would accept him in that band after that point? That it would be a no-win situation for him.
    Yep, and ironically...remember that open letter from Dave to the fans after the 96 debacle?

    Then, a series of events last week led me to discover at about the same time the press did, that the band, along with their manager, had already hired another lead singer, possibly as long as three months ago. I wonder how he felt the night of the MTV Awards
    Welp, Mitch eventually told us how he felt, lol. Dave surely was prophetic with that statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    Why would it be obvious? I don't think her voice is great. I can hear her sing Come To My Window but not EWS.
    I don't know....she's a bad ass, and she can rock:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacfanweb View Post
    I don't know....she's a bad ass, and she can rock:
    Why is she a badass? I'm trying to understand this woman's appeal on a VH site. I guess her connection to them but I'm just saying I would have dropped VH right then and there with a woman at the helm. Is that right? Probably not. I totally understand that. That's my own hangup though.

    Having said that, I'm a Streisand fan. She's a badass to me especially 70's Sreisand. So, I love female singers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacfanweb View Post
    I don't know....she's a bad ass, and she can rock:

    That song is a rip off of Velvet Revolver’s Slither... Interesting that Tichy played with Slash’s Snakepit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forty Deuce View Post
    You found a ballad first.

    Try this song Ugly with Stevie Salas and Richie Kotzen on guitar and Brian Tichy on drums. Absolute kick ass and tight as hell.



    These two below were hits for her.

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    Now you should TOTALLY understand why VH wanted her.
    She's cute, and I would much rather have had her fronting the band, than to have either Cherone or Molloy.
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    The more I listen to Sass talk about music, the more suspicious I grew of one thing I had written down in my interview notes. While doing my research, I visited her Wikipedia page, and was surprised to see names like Judas Priest and Ozzy Osbourne listed as influences, so I asked her if she was a closeted headbanger. “That Wikipedia page should be trashed!” she proclaims vigorously. “My influences come from everywhere, but that’s not really true although I did listen to some of that. I used to listen to 70’s soul, a lot of prog rock, all that British invasion stuff. I love the Faces and the Stones… my influences go on forever! Bonnie Raitt, the Allman Brothers… I love Southern rock. Steely Dan, Crosby, Stills, Nash &Young, Jackson Browne, the Eagles, Linda Rondstadt, you see what I mean.”

    As our conversation is coming to a conclusion, and while we’re setting records straight, I ask Sass if there’s any truth to the stories that she almost joined Van Halen in the late 90’s. “I can only tell you my version of it”, she warns me. “I lived down the street from Eddie and one day I got a phone call from this enigmatic weird person going ‘Is this Sass?’ This is before cell phones and before you could see who was calling. It was the mid 90’s, when you would still actually answer your phone! It was just some weird guy but it turned out it was Alex Van Halen. The story they told me was that they had just fired Sammy (Hagar), and they needed someone to come down and sing on these songs that they were working on, while they looked for a new singer. That was the story.”

    Being a huge Van Halen fan, Sass accepted the offer immediately. “So I went up to Ed’s house and I spent about two and a half to three months with them. It was only ever me, Alex, Eddie and his guitar tech Scott. That’s the only people who were ever there. I was their bum boy; I would go to the supermarket and buy their beer and cigarettes because they were supposed to be on the wagon. They were not supposed to be drinking or smoking or anything.”

    “We listened to a lot of music and we talked a lot. We had great time. And then one day they were working on something, and I do not remember what it was, they were behind the board and I was in front. And I said ‘wait a minute, you guys weren’t actually thinking about having a female singer in this band, were you?’ And then their eyes got wide as saucers and they sheepishly went ‘noooooo… why?’. Because that’s the most ridiculous idea I’ve ever heard in my life. I can’t think of Van Halen with a female singer. And they looked at me and went ‘yeah, yeah, of course.’

    But the exchange stuck with Sass who wondered if she’d been blind to their intentions. “That night I called their manager at the time, Ray Danniels” she recalls. “I said Ray, I swear to God, for a minute, I thought they were gonna ask me to be their new singer.” Danniels didn’t beat around the bush. “Of course they were!” he said. “What do you think you were doing there? But I told them it was the worst idea they’d ever had. They can’t have a chick fronting the band.”

    But just like ‘Racine’ evolved over time, her opinion of that ‘what if?’ scenario has changed. “At the time, I thought it was a terrible idea”, she explains candidly. “If it were now, I would say yes. But can you imagine if that had happened and I was the person who destroyed Van Halen? Cause believe me, if it was a girl and that didn’t go well, that girl would have destroyed Van Halen. If they can say Gary Cherone destroyed Van Halen, and it’s all bullshit, you can’t destroy anything, but can you imagine the backlash if it didn’t do well?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise next door View Post
    That song is a rip off of Velvet Revolver’s Slither... Interesting that Tichy played with Slash’s Snakepit
    Yep, thanks! Was trying to figure out what that was.
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    Sass Jordan has a cool voice. High Road Easy is a pretty cool song. I have one of her CD's got it from the library a couple of years ago just to check it out. I think it's Racine. it's good. It's not really hard rock, I don't know how you would classify it. Her guitar player Stevie Salas has some cool bluesy riffs. I wouldn't have minded if Sam had hired him when he went solo.
    I don't think she would work in VH. really I don't know how anyone can suggest that a female lead in van halen would be a good thing. Not hating on female rock singers, I just don't think it would work with this band.

 

 

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