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    I was never talking about his influence or his originality. I don't think Ed's originality even needs to be pointed out.

    There's no question his influence was huge, as well. In terms of the music industry, he certainly influenced a lot of 80's self-indulgent shredders. And he influenced millions upon millions of imitators who still to this day devote their lives to trying to sound like him. He shocked the world with Eruption and his playing style was mind blowing, at the time. There aren't too many guitar players out there who have spawned the sheer # of imitators like Eddie has.

    Very few of the people he influenced turned out to be anything other than posers or 80's wankers, though. Zakk is an exception, although he was a bigger Randy guy. Slash is another, but again he was more or less more of a Joe Perry guy.

    We haven't really had any legit, widely accepted guitar heroes since Eddie because the 80's were all so saturated with the same wanker garbage, imo. Not sure if thats a testament or a detriment to his legacy or if it was merely a sign of the times changing.

    And yes, Blackmore deserves to be mentioned amongst the greatest and most influential ever as well.

    Influence is a funny thing because Ace Frehley influenced LOTS of future established guitar players...and yet I will never cede' that he was anything but a B (or C)-rate player, at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    I was never talking about his influence. There's no question his influence was huge. In terms of the music industry, he certainly influenced a lot of 80's self-indulgent shredders. And he influenced millions upon millions of imitators who still to this day devote their lives to trying to sound like him. He shocked the world with Eruption and his playing style was mind blowing, at the time. There aren't too many guitar players out there who have spawned the sheer # of imitators like Eddie has.

    Very few of the people he influenced turned out to be anything other than a poser or an 80's wanker, though. Zakk is an exception, although he was a bigger Randy guy. Slash is another, but again he was more or less more of a Joe Perry guy.

    We haven't really had any legit, widely accepted guitar heroes since Eddie. Not sure if thats a testament or a detriment to his legacy or if it was merely a sign of the times changing.

    And yes, Blackmore deserves to be mentioned amongst the greatest and most influential ever as well.

    Influence is a funny thing because Ace Frehley influenced LOTS of future established guitar players...and yet I will never cede' that he was anything other than a B (or C)-rate player, at best and he's never mentioned amongst the best ever, rightfully so .
    Lol. Lots of guys would disagree with your 80s wanker copycat groupings. Im not one of em, though, I happen to agree with most of your take. Blackmore definitely deserves his place in the lexicon, hes just not my personal cup of tea.

    Slash is a pretty big guitar hero in Los Angeles for sure. I agree his influences lie more outside of Eddie to the likes of Perry and Beck and Page. Hes actually a big Eliot Easton fan, and a lot of his rhythm play emulates Rick Nielsen of Cheap Trick.

    I think youre fair to say Eddie was the last true gunslinger of his acumen. Id probably say the same for Satch if only hed bothered to insert his talents in a full working band sooner than Chickenfoot. But he didnt, so hes kind of resigned to the more sterile environs of the virtuoso circuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Van Squalen View Post
    Lol. Lots of guys would disagree with your 80s wanker copycat groupings. I’m not one of ‘em, though, I happen to agree with most of your take. Blackmore definitely deserves his place in the lexicon, he’s just not my personal cup of tea.
    People can disagree all they want, but I don't think it can be disputed that no other guitar player garners the same level of idol worship when it comes to how they play and sound, than Ed. Whether that's a positive or a negative with respect to his legacy, can be debated.

    Part of that is also Ed's doing because he was so misleading early on about his rig and his amps, etc whereas other guitar players were just like, "Yeah. I plugged my Les Paul replica into that Silver Jubilee over there and there's the sound for Mr. Brownstone." Whereas, Eddie would outright lie.

    Fuck, to this day people are still arguing over some of these details about Ed's rig.
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    You shouldn't even had to have said that. Especially here of all places on the Internet.
    But, it's not shocking that it had to be said.

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    Love him or hate him, there was one other guy, after Ed, to really raise the bar:

    Yngwie.

    You can hate his songwriting, his singers, his ego, his persona...

    But when he came out, i first heard him in '84 on the Alcatrazz album,
    it was pretty mind blowing.

    He introduced a new vocabulary & level of precision.

    Not a "whole package guy" like EVH & Randy.
    But as a pure guitar game changer, he cannot be denied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    Love him or hate him, there was one other guy, after Ed, to really raise the bar:

    Yngwie.

    You can hate his songwriting, his singers, his ego, his persona...

    But when he came out, i first heard him in '84 on the Alcatrazz album,
    it was pretty mind blowing.

    He introduced a new vocabulary & level of precision.

    Not a "whole package guy" like EVH & Randy.
    But as a pure guitar game changer, he cannot be denied.
    I dont know if Id say he changed the game, but his skill, classical knowledge and technical ability is second to none.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    I don’t know if I’d say he changed the game, but his skill, classical knowledge and technical ability is second to none.


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    I tried to learn the solo to "I am a Viking," and was playing it at less than quarter speed.

    I was working through a fast passage, but playing it soooooooo slowly, and i remember my
    mom peeking her head in & saying: That melody sounds so pretty, like a classical piece.

    To this day, when people say it's all wankery & speed for speed's sake, i think of my mom's
    comment.

    If you play his fast stuff slow, it's musical and makes melodic sense.

    So for me, he's like Hilary Hahn or a classical violinist, at times.
    He's basing these licks on the proper scales & little suites.

    His sweep picking alone...
    What a clever idea to add arpeggios & wide passages in an economical way.

    And that's a hard technique!
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    Having said that, credit to Uli Roth from Scorpions, for doing those sweep ideas
    pre-Yngwie.

    Yngwie took the concept & ran with it, but Uli had them clean, just not strung together
    in rapid succession.

    Blackmore did them too, but less cleanly.
    I think he called them "rakes."
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    I tried to learn the solo to "I am a Viking," and was playing it at less than quarter speed.

    I was working through a fast passage, but playing it soooooooo slowly, and i remember my
    mom peeking her head in & saying: That melody sounds so pretty, like a classical piece.

    To this day, when people say it's all wankery & speed for speed's sake, i think of my mom's
    comment.

    If you play his fast stuff slow, it's musical and makes melodic sense.

    So for me, he's like Hilary Hahn or a classical violinist, at times.
    He's basing these licks on the proper scales & little suites.

    His sweep picking alone...
    What a clever idea to add arpeggios & wide passages in an economical way.

    And that's a hard technique!
    Yeah anybody who writes off Yngwie as just a wanker, isnt very familiar with his material and just doesnt get it.

    Which is fine, its all subjective. Theyre just opinions.

    There are those who think Vai and Satch are wankers too.

    Doesnt make sense to me, but I get where a lot of it comes from on here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    Yeah anybody who writes off Yngwie as just a wanker, isn’t very familiar with his material and just doesn’t get it.

    Which is fine, it’s all subjective. They’re just opinions.

    There are those who think Vai and Satch are wankers too.

    Doesn’t make sense to me, but I get where a lot of it comes from on here.


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    I find Vai's playing so exotic, yet moving.

    I think stuff like "Salamanders in the sun" and "Call it sleep," are really beautiful.
    I never felt like it was him just showing off.

    I remember Yngwie saying about Vai: He's obviously a really good player, but i
    can't get into his melodies or phrasing.

    For me, i thought that was a huge part of why i loved what he did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    I don’t know if I’d say he changed the game, but his skill, classical knowledge and technical ability is second to none.


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    make no mistake. he was a game changer

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    I think the first thing i ever heard by Yngwie was, Hiroshima mon Amour.

    I loved the song, it was weird but really cool, and then that solo....
    My fucking jaw hit the floor, i was like....HOW....IS....THIS....POSSIBLE?

    He had some great stuff, early on.

    "Little Savage" had such a groove, almost a jazz fusion kinda thing.

    He was fucking great, then became like Zakk, where he just wanted to play
    fast constantly, no matter what song he was playing.
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    Yngwie had a few exceptional years, maybe 5. And then for the next few decades, he proceeded to methodically destroy his legacy. The other guys we're talking about, except maybe Hendrix who died too young, have decades of good work speaking for them.
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